running coyotes with trucks and c.b. radios

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Originally Posted By: DustballsThese topics are kind of like the 17HMR topics. I am glad I dont live any place close to the idiots who will shoot a persons dog for being on their big section of private land (probably a 40 acre tract). It is posts like these that make my mind up when I catch someone trespassing with out of state plates and were not talking on a 40 acre hobby farm. Hang em high. If I were to catch a guy retrieving his dogs I would probably invite him to come hunting no matter where he is from.



LMAO!!!! Swore I was done with this but had to let ya know i almost spit my coffee out after reading that! Have to say though awful lot of key board bravery, and highly educational wisdom was deffinitely shared on this one.


Take care, Willie
 
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The guys I go with must need new hounds. I've been twice and we haven't killed a coyote yet. I like hunting with dogs. Either chasing coons,coyotes,rabbits or watching a good dog point a rooster. I do hate seeing hunters get divided over legal hunting. If a guy drives in a crop fied coyote hunting with hounds or shooting deer out the truck it makes him an Ahole. There are good and bad people in every form of hunting. But listening to the hounds chasing a yote is a good time. Calling coyotes is a blast too.
 
While I don't have any interest, personally, in running dogs to chase down coyotes or hogs, I sure don't begrudge those that do - as long as they stick to legal guidelines.

Here in Texas (at least where I live) an unknown dog found on your ranch is going to be fair game and is likely to get shot- it's the farmer/rancher's discretion. Property boundaries are sacrosanct around here and without landowner permission it's trespassing whether its a dog or a person. period. Hog doggers run afoul of landowners regularly for not controlling their dogs. We get into this same (similar) discussion about hog doggin on another forum we're on all the time. My ONLY issue with it is the crossing onto people's land without their permission - I think that's wrong. If you don't have enough land at your disposal to prevent that from happening, I don't think that's right. Regardless of what the law might be, I think it's just wrong for individual hunting rights to trump a landowner's property rights- a landowner should have the ultimate say about who can access their property and who can kill (and retrieve) game from their property. I suspect that more people use a 'retrieval exemption' as an excuse/claim to enter and hunt land they would not be granted access to, than actually use it the way it was intended.

If it's not contrary to trespassing laws, or any other law, where you live I can't see the harm in hunting with dogs. I don't see how it effects calling - one dog chasing another isn't going to make them call-shy for the hunter that comes into the area the following day. Unless there's a shortage of coyotes in an area (which doesn't seem to be the case in most places) there's no harm done. Heck, part of the hunt I just posted was done on a ranch that's covered in cyanide traps, steel traps and snares and is called by several people and flown regularly with helicopters and it's STILL over-run with coyotes, bobcat and fox. If all that doesn't eliminate them, I don't see how some greyhounds will hurt the calling much. There are plenty of coyotes to go around.

Besides, I figure running dogs on coyotes (or other animals) will attract the ire of the anti-hunting crowd making them a buffer between them and calling predators, LOL!
 
Originally Posted By: wdenikeWow!! The experts have arrived. I guess I will respond, as I am betting I have probably turned loose hounds in more different states than most of the loud mouths combined. And no one that I know knowingly sets up on stand on private land waiting for the shot at a coyote. And as one of the posters on here already stated most law enforcement will tell you the hounds can't read nor can the wildlife. And most states (not all) have a right to retrieve law. That allows a person to leave their weapons in their vehicle. Politely go in with a leash retrieve your hounds and leave. In the event game goes to hole or is treed. As always oppinions are like - - - holes everyone has one. But it would at least be nice to have a clue.

And mister Passmore the dog shooter. To shoot some one's dog ya better be able to prove they lamed or killed livestock, or did some form of personal injury. Or you my friend will get your education by way of your wallet. When the judge lets you know just how much the dead dogs you bought are worth. Not to mention it probably wouldn't be a good idea to varmint call alone. You could fall and get terribly hurt months after the ordeal.

Mister Chupa, I would advise you to continue to be as large as you can at the key board, as it is a big, big world when you get out there.


Take care, Willie


Dude you are so full of crap! I had hounds for years and dog guys are all the same if they can get away with it they do it. Coon hunters coyote hunters all the same. As for shooting the dogs that is wrong the owners that do it should be held accountable. Also guys don't walk around with your wings on everybody has broke the law once or twice.
 
As far as dogs running onto other properties where you don't have permission, it's not rocket science, just be up front with the land-owners. Let them know you have permission near them and will be hunting it, and would REALLY appreciate it if they didn't shoot your dogs if they happen to run one onto their side. As a rule of thumb, we always call our landowners to let them know we'll be out on it that night, week, weekend, whenever, and in general, we at least TRIED to get permission everywhere near there, so we have at least some level of contact with the surrounding landowners.

Before we go out on a spot where we might end up somewhere that we won't have permission, we'd call those land-owners and ask if we can at least go onto their property to get the dog's caught. It ain't a perfect system, but it has served us well thus far. We usually use a few trucks to be able to get ahead of the dogs if they do go running, and those "20mi races" guys have mentioned don't happen every weekend, but every now and then it does happen, just like sticking an arrow in a buck and tracking him for 2 or 3 miles across different properties before he goes down.
 
Varminterror,
That is great that you guys do that and I wish more people took that approach. Couple of my buddy's killed 61 in three days but have more ground to run than most ever think about. For the guys that try to do it the right way I hope ya round up as many as you can.


Passmore
 
Two champion hunting dogs, who were taking part in a United Kennel Club coon hunt in LeFlore County, were shot and killed over the weekend.

Another dog was injured in the shooting.

Douglas Frerich was arrested on three felony counts of animal cruelty after admitting he killed the dogs, according to the arrest affidavit. He was released on a $15,000 Sunday (Feb. 24.)

Frerich told authorities at LeFlore County Sheriff’s Office that he heard the dogs outside on his property and that they were being aggressive.

One of the dog’s owners, Larry Stacy, told 5NEWS that he still doesn’t understand why Frerich shot his dog.

“Coons and dogs can’t read,” Stacy said. “Sometimes there’s a portion of land they get on that we don’t want them on. But they end up there because they’re running a coon.”

Stacy, and his nephew Drew Cheshier, both grew up coon hunting in Oklahoma.

“We turned our dogs loose like we do time and time again,” Cheshier said. “Dogs got treed a couple of times and then we had some dogs split off.”

Their dogs, equipped with GPS units, got a couple of miles ahead of them. Chesier started heading towards the dogs, thinking maybe they’d cornered a raccoon when he says he heard gunshots.

“We were scared for our dogs,” Chesier said. “We wanted to make sure they were in the best health they could be. And hope that what we feared had happened had not happened. Come to find out, that’s exactly what happened.”

All three dogs were shot multiple times.

Each count of felony animal cruelty could carry up to five years in jail, according to Sheriff Rob Seale.



Something for the dog shooters to chew on. Pretty good deal as long as your wallet is as big as your talk, and ya enjoy showers at the crow bar hotel. Funny this article showed up within a day of this post.
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Take care, Willie
 
Willie, go ahead and continue eating your yellow snow and Dustballs keep being the pivot man in the circle. I'm glad you proved your point that you can't fix stupid without any help needed. In that such case maybe the guy was in the wrong I don't know. I can however tell you last fall at the ranch a friend of mine owns had 2 "prize" boxers show up one morning and chase 3 of his bulls up/down the fence line. He ran the dogs off twice and when he returned home from lunch they were back again. At that point he shot both dogs. The next day a guy showed up looking for 2 boxers so he took the guy to his dogs and told him what happened. The guy was obviously mad and made a bunch of threats etc... Called the local sherriff, he came out got the story and told the guy he should have kept his dogs on his own property. The dog owner called the county attorney and whined to him. Guess what he then told him the same thing. Hmm...strange I was under the impression you knew everything.

Passmore
 
In Kansas dogs that harass livestock are at the mercy of the stockmen. "Harassment" may be a judgement call, but a not a lot of stockmen are going to put up with too much with the market value of their livestock right now.
 
Trust me I understand the whole dogs chasing livestock. But heres the deal with this whole topic. The OP asked a question about running coyotes with trucks and cb radios. That turned into IF I CATCH SOMEONES DOGS ON MY LAND I WILL SHOOT THEM. And now that has turned into I know a guy who knows a guy whos cousins brothers friend had two boxers chasing his tree bulls and he shot them. Who cares!!!!!
 
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