shotgun for yotes

Originally Posted By: 1ASSASSINI have enough land that I do not shoot on public ranges, and people I do not know are not allowed on my property.



Is this another way to say that, "There ain't no impartial witness coming on my land unless I know him and he reads scripture to me every Sunday"?

Just curious.
 
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: tnshootistIt seems to me that more proof has been offered that this can be done than that it can not.



guess i missed the "this can be done" proof. can you please point it out?

Pictures and load and shotgun barrel description vs "I doubt it".
 
i did actually find a youtube vid of 100yd shotgun patterns, im gonna go out on a limb and say its possible.
Theres alot of block shoots around here, mot 100yds but some of those guns are def capable of patterning at that range. 34" barrels arent uncommon.
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootistOriginally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: tnshootistIt seems to me that more proof has been offered that this can be done than that it can not.



guess i missed the "this can be done" proof. can you please point it out?

Pictures and load and shotgun barrel description vs "I doubt it".



Originally Posted By: tnshootistBeing a non shot gunner I didn't know what to make of this stuff.


you really should of just dropped this ^^^^ on the thread and moved on. seriously.
 

And you should do some research.Seriously.
Though this was new to me it is not new.
If I considered myself a shot gunner I would be embarrassed that I did not know.
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootist
And you should do some research.Seriously.
Though this was new to me it is not new.
If I considered myself a shot gunner I would be embarrassed that I did not know.

Originally Posted By: 1ASSASSIN So before you guys call anyone a liar, or tell them they are full of poop, just remember that there will ALWAYS be someone out there that is just a little bit better than you are!

Your boy was the one to tell everyone how great he was, even though admitting to not being the greatest, and when challenged for proof on his claim, all we have seen from him is:

1. crawfishin'

2. fake news

3. smoke screen

4. deflection

And last but not least.......
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5. obfuscation

I'd actually like to see if it can be done, but I'm not overly confident I can rely on his word after all of this "blow off" by him. Some unbiased simple proof would be great. Dragging his preacher into the discussion did nothing for me.

On the other side of the story, there are some very knowledgeable people here who are wanting unbiased proof also. I'm sure they will respond accordingly.

For the record, I'm not a "shot gunner" beyond using a 12 Gauge Benelli for close in coyotes in heavy brush occasionally and by doing some dove hunting in the fall plus an occasional pheasant or duck hunt. Oh....and I've also hunted geese, but again I'm not a shot gunner in any sense. But I can sniff out obvious smoke blowing and crawfishin' pretty easily. Please show me that I'm wrong.
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootist
If I considered myself a shot gunner I would be embarrassed that I did not know.

unlike you, i have done a lot of shotgun coyote calling and killing. unlike you, i know what i know.

its really SIMPLE. SHOW ME. if he can do what he claims he can do, why not just do it?

maybe he is poor and don't have $50. why don't YOU front him the $50? maybe he can pay you back in payments?
 
Show you your wrong?
Show you are right.
All that has been offered to cast doubt on what he says is talk.
And some of it is pretty childish talk a that.


Some people are to quick to say a man lies.

He made his claim. You say he lies. I say prove he lies.
If you can't maybe not calling him a lair would be the right thing to do. After all you don't have any of the things he is using so how would you have any idea what his stuff will do. Knowledge gained with common factory stuff just ain't in the same league.

Do some reading would be my advise.The concept is not new.

By the way I don't know the man but this dog pile that goes on here is a bunch of crap.

Used to be calling a man a lair was serious but it's easy from behind a keyboard.
 
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: tnshootist
If I considered myself a shot gunner I would be embarrassed that I did not know.

unlike you, i have done a lot of shotgun coyote calling and killing. unlike you, i know what i know.

its really SIMPLE. SHOW ME. if he can do what he claims he can do, why not just do it?

maybe he is poor and don't have $50. why don't YOU front him the $50? maybe he can pay you back in payments?

Pretty sure he don't need a sponsor.
You are right about one thing I do believe. You know what you know,and thats all.

I never said I didn't have a shotgun.I have used a shotgun.But like you it's been factory stuff at close range.Buy a box of shells,drop one in and shoot.Again not in the same league.
I think maybe some are just shotgun hunters and not in this league.
Do some research. There might be some things about shotguns that even you don't know yet.

The man posted pictures and gave out his hard earned information.I guess maybe he don't care if you believe him or not. I know it don't bother me.

Maybe you should just load up and go see the fellow face to face.
 
I been staying out of this and mostly reading. But I have this feeling that 1ASSASSIN really doesn't give a chit if you believe him or not and also feels he has nothing to prove and isn't planning on doing it either, at least anytime soon. IDK, maybe he will but I highly doubt it. Why don't we just move on and let this drop. Nothing is being gained by anyone.
 
1Assassin was cheerfully puffing his chest out and ready to take Dave's $100 right from the get go. Then when called on to actually prove that he can do what he claimed in an easy to pull off challenge by STS, 1A crawdads big time. The continued reference to Mr. Digweed doesn't compare well for 1A. Mr. Digweed actually shoots in front of hundreds, if not thousands, of people in competitions and his shooting prowess is well documented publicly. 1A refuses to shoot in front of just one unbiased witness to document his claims. Mr. Digweed is shooting clays, pigeons and crows by throwing a swarm of hundreds of shot pellets and all it takes to score is a pellet or two. Coyotes at 100 yards need more than a T pellet or two, unless the magic pellet scores on the brain pan. Pigeons vs. Coyotes isn't an apples to apples comparison. Anybody who has shot many coyotes with a shotgun understands this. I'll happily apologize for calling shenanigans if proven wrong. And that is easily accomplished, just accept the STS challenge. Or crawdad.
 
Originally Posted By: greengt88i did actually find a youtube vid of 100yd shotgun patterns, im gonna go out on a limb and say its possible.
Theres alot of block shoots around here, mot 100yds but some of those guns are def capable of patterning at that range. 34" barrels arent uncommon.

Could you post a link? I've also seen some 100 yard pattern videos put up but none were consistently coyote killing patterns. Maybe you've seen some I haven't.
 
1ASSASSIN said:
The comments about my pastor and his family being here is totally uncalled for and very childish! They came over to shoot a couple of rounds of trap with me and a couple of other guys. I have enough land that I do not shoot on public ranges, and people I do not know are not allowed on my property.

And I still haven't figured out the comment about my pattern frame being made out 2x4's. Scrap wood that I did not have to go buy
Ackleyman was just referring that the measurements of your 2x4 frame gave a reference that your paper target size was of correct proportions!
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Originally Posted By: GC1Assassin was cheerfully puffing his chest out and ready to take Dave's $100 right from the get go. Then when called on to actually prove that he can do what he claimed in an easy to pull off challenge by STS, 1A crawdads big time. The continued reference to Mr. Digweed doesn't compare well for 1A. Mr. Digweed actually shoots in front of hundreds, if not thousands, of people in competitions and his shooting prowess is well documented publicly. 1A refuses to shoot in front of just one unbiased witness to document his claims. Mr. Digweed is shooting clays, pigeons and crows by throwing a swarm of hundreds of shot pellets and all it takes to score is a pellet or two. Coyotes at 100 yards need more than a T pellet or two, unless the magic pellet scores on the brain pan. Pigeons vs. Coyotes isn't an apples to apples comparison. Anybody who has shot many coyotes with a shotgun understands this. I'll happily apologize for calling shenanigans if proven wrong. And that is easily accomplished, just accept the STS challenge. Or crawdad.

Excellent post, GC. Over the years you have always been a voice of reason here on PM. Your post pretty well spells it out as it has evolved.
 
Originally Posted By: 1ASSASSINThe comments about my pastor and his family being here is totally uncalled for and very childish! They came over to shoot a couple of rounds of trap with me and a couple of other guys. I have enough land that I do not shoot on public ranges, and people I do not know are not allowed on my property.

And I still haven't figured out the comment about my pattern frame being made out 2x4's. Scrap wood that I did not have to go buy

Originally Posted By: McGrawAckleyman was just referring that the measurements of your 2x4 frame gave a reference that your paper target size was of correct proportions!

(Fixed it for ya', McGraw.......)
 
100 yards is about 70 yards further than I want to drag or carry a coyote. Not only that but if I shoot at a coyote any further than 45 yards I was able to see entirely too far to be using a shotgun.

What someone else can do really doesn't matter to me. I know what I can do and what I won't do. Shooting a shotgun at 100 yards is on my list of things I ain't doing.

And to my knowledge up until recently the possibility of being able to legally shoot a coyote with anything larger than BB shot was nonexistent in Oklahoma. So I wouldn't ever try it with that small of shot anyway.
 
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Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: 1ASSASSINThe comments about my pastor and his family being here is totally uncalled for and very childish! They came over to shoot a couple of rounds of trap with me and a couple of other guys. I have enough land that I do not shoot on public ranges, and people I do not know are not allowed on my property.

And I still haven't figured out the comment about my pattern frame being made out 2x4's. Scrap wood that I did not have to go buy

Originally Posted By: McGrawAckleyman was just referring that the measurements of your 2x4 frame gave a reference that your paper target size was of correct proportions!

(Fixed it for ya', McGraw.......)

Thanks Winny, and who wouldn’t of thought a high school typing class would help a ol- boy nearly forty years ago.
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootistBut like you it's been factory stuff at close range.Buy a box of shells,drop one in and shoot.Again not in the same league.


again you talk out your rear end. you have no clue sunshine. no clue.
 
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: tnshootistBut like you it's been factory stuff at close range.Buy a box of shells,drop one in and shoot.Again not in the same league.


again you talk out your rear end. you have no clue sunshine. no clue.

OK Snot.Have it your way.
You know everything.Done everything.Been everywhere.Seen it all.
 
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Originally Posted By: tnshootistOriginally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: tnshootist
If I considered myself a shot gunner I would be embarrassed that I did not know.

unlike you, i have done a lot of shotgun coyote calling and killing. unlike you, i know what i know.

its really SIMPLE. SHOW ME. if he can do what he claims he can do, why not just do it?

maybe he is poor and don't have $50. why don't YOU front him the $50? maybe he can pay you back in payments?

Pretty sure he don't need a sponsor.
You are right about one thing I do believe. You know what you know,and thats all.

I never said I didn't have a shotgun.I have used a shotgun.But like you it's been factory stuff at close range.Buy a box of shells,drop one in and shoot.Again not in the same league.
I think maybe some are just shotgun hunters and not in this league.
Do some research. There might be some things about shotguns that even you don't know yet.

The man posted pictures and gave out his hard earned information.I guess maybe he don't care if you believe him or not. I know it don't bother me.

Maybe you should just load up and go see the fellow face to face.

I know for a fact one of the coyote loads that SlickerThanSnot has reloaded and used on coyotes is a great coyote load. There are shot types available now that out perform lead shot by a long ways. Lead shot is not even close to being in the same league that TSS shot is in.

Tungsten Super Shot is almost pure Tungsten it is around 45% to 50% denser than lead. The military uses Tungsten core rounds to penetrate through tank armor because it is very hard and very heavy for it's size.

Most good shotgun loads the shot penetrates deep enough so the pattern gives up before the penetration does.

1ASSASSIN's T shot load gives a good pattern around 28 yards farther away than it gets good penetration.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics program.

1ASSASSIN's load, 1410 fps T lead shot, 56 pellets in 1-1/2 oz, gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 71.8 yards.

SlickerThanSnot's load, 1300 fps #2 TSS shot, 88 pellets in 1-5/8 oz, gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 115.5 yards.
1300 fps TSS #2 shot gets 4.91" of gel penetration at 71.8 yards.

1410 fps TT lead shot, 48 pellets in 1-1/2 oz, gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 79.3 yards.


I don't believe that the KPY program is 100% accurate but it is close enough to show just how much difference the shot density makes and it also shows without the high shot density higher speed of the shot doesn't help that much.

If it is possible to get that tight of a pattern with lead T shot at 100 yards, I wonder what that same load through the same barrel and choke would look like at 40 yards? It seems like the pattern at 40 yards would have to be very small in diameter to be that small at 100 yards.
 


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