Snow-mobiler kills attacking MOOSE with his GLOCK!

Originally Posted By: steve154There was nowhere for him to go around it. Driving down in to those woods, off trail, would be stupid and a guaranteed wreck on a fallen log, hidden hole, or just plain stuck in the deep snow. He is on a sled, not a tank. Looks to me like after the first charge he thought it was going to run and was giving it some encouragement to do so. If he had done the same thing out in the open I would agree that he could have avoided it. Not in the woods though. He was pretty close to being in the open and I bet he was thinking the moose was going to break out of there and they could then get around it. He miscalculated, but did nothing wrong.

I find it kind of goofy that the general community attitude around here is that it is cool to blast a poodle because it is in range and shouldn't be in the woods, but are outraged when a guy ventilates a moose that decides to stomp his guts out.

This guy hit it on the head in my book. As did Redfrog. It is a shame to see a creature like a moose get put down, but in defense the gloves come off.
 
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGHow do you know he didn't go back and put the moose down? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. What makes you so sure he didn't?

Remember he is only armed with a pistol. That means if he did go back to put the moose down, he would have to get pretty close to it, close enough to intentionally put himself in danger in order to be accurate with a pistol.

The first time he shot it he only shot until the threat was down, and then he fled to safety. Doesn't look like he did it for fun to me. Going back to "finish the job" could be seen as executing the animal out of revenge.

If he did go back (and we have no reason to believe he did not go back) it's no wonder he didn't film it or at least didn't post the video online. It would look bad no matter what.

He shouldn't have posted ANY video of any part of that incident online. That was his biggest mistake.
 
Originally Posted By: steve154
I find it kind of goofy that the general community attitude around here is that it is cool to blast a poodle because it is in range and shouldn't be in the woods, but are outraged when a guy ventilates a moose that decides to stomp his guts out.
In another thread recently someone asked, "What happened to the old Predator Masters?" THIS thread is a perfect example. People who don't know nuthin' about a topic (moose in this case, or the great outdoors in general) go spouting off as if they're experts. Add to that the comments questioning why anybody would ccw in the outdoors (or anywhere else they **** care to) and then suggesting "hanging" a man for defending himself against an attacking wild animal... This thread is off the charts crazy!

THIS is what's wrong with Predator Masters these days. Anyone who cares to stand up and say something has to type 1000 words and it's just not worth most people's time so they don't.
 
Originally Posted By: gooseisland
This guy hit it on the head in my book. As did Redfrog. It is a shame to see a creature like a moose get put down, but in defense the gloves come off.

Yep, 100% justified in my opinion.
The only mistake the guy made was not dumping the mag in its head on the first attack.
 
Originally Posted By: steve154GC, no argument there. I just believe that he miscalculated, it went sideways on him and ended where he neither wanted, or expected. He did not act in the outrageous and reckless manner that is being portrayed. Hind sight is always 20/20 and I would hope that he is wishing that he had just backed off.

Probably so, I think he acted a fool and got in over his head. The video makes the situation look bad. Hopefully somebody went back and finished the deed. And hopefully they learned from the experience.

As to questioning his packing a pistol, that is ridiculous. I said as much early on in the thread. Time to move on...
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Originally Posted By: GC

As to questioning his packing a pistol, that is ridiculous. I said as much early on in the thread.



We can certainly agree on that!
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A thread/clip like this is bound to have some spirited debate and discussion.

Lets try and keep our comments as civil as possible even if you happen to disagree with someone else's point of view please.

Thank you.
 
Well Im around moose all the time with my job. I feel totally confident saying this was totally preventable. Yea AFTER he forced the issue he had little choice in shooting it. BUT he had lots of options before it got to this point.
 
I read most all of comments and here is what I think......

This thread shows what is wrong with todays USA.
1. Everyone is quick to pass judgment based on a little video, not knowing the WHOLE story.
2. Last I knew this is still AMERICA, you know the one with the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS ! That means carry a gun !
3. Hang a HUMAN over killing an animal ! What in the heck is wrong with you people !

I got plenty more,but I don't need banned today....
 
Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeI read most all of comments and here is what I think......

This thread shows what is wrong with todays USA.
1. Everyone is quick to pass judgment based on a litle video, not knowing the WHOLE story.
2. Last I knew this is still AMERICA, you know the one with the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS ! That means carry a gun !
3. Hang a HUMAN over killing an animal ! What in the heck is wrong with you people !

I got plenty more,but I don't need banned today....

Tim,
I get what you are saying, but the only thing we have for discussion is the video. So if we are going to comment at all the video is literally all we can speak of. For number two - dammed straight! The last point, I kinda thought that was given by the poster as just an expression of speech and not a literal thing. So in conclusion, yes Mock is to blame.
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And last - good grief don't get banned! Sadly, we just lost a good man from this site.
 
Good morning GC !

My wording is not the best ,but if my point makes it across.....
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I work with a few people that can take the facts and have them all in jackwagon fashion in no time, really gets under my skin somedays.

Carry on....
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This video has annoyed me since I first saw it. rockinbbar nailed it in my books. The video should not have gone up.

We werent there. We cant judge him or his actions from the comfort of our own chairs. Snowmobiling isnt like driving a car, you simply cant just go off the road/trail and around the moose. Also, from what I saw the moose was coming back for a 3rd go. Was it just turning back to stare at the guy one more time? Quite possibly, who knows.

Yes I will agree he probably could have kept his distance and the moose may have slowly wandered off, but I am guessing he was figuring that the sound and size of a man on a snow machine would scare the moose off.

I dont know like I said this video has annoyed me because it shouldnt have been posted. But since it was everyone sitting back in their recliners have watched and turned the guy in the video into some savage killer. I saw nothing but self defense. Had he done nothing and the moose killed or injured him, there would be an upcry for the fish and game to kill or relocate this moose that is a danger to humans.

I will say, While riding dirtbikes 2 years ago I came face to face with a moose. I always figured they would avoid motorized vehicles. Lesson learned, just keep ones distance and be aware of your surroundings. Cant say how many times Ive stopped at a little lake or pond, could have easily been a moose on the other side of the bushes.
 
I see no problem with the guy posting the video, it serves to show outdoors users how dangerous it can be in the bush and how important it is to arm yourself if it is legal. In Canada it is possible to carry a hand gun, but it is also difficult to get a permit to do so.

Mr. Mock posting on this site, which happens to be a hunting site also served to educate just how tough our battle with the antis is to win. Lots of opinions here and fortunately most have zero experience with moose attacks and have to rely on a video clip of less than 90 seconds with no footage before the killing or after the shooter rode past the moose.

When Rockinbar says this should not have been posted on the internet, he speaks from experience.
 
Good points all. Us flatlanders don't have moose, but Redfrog's clear statement on the dangers of moose reminded me of a day calling with my (at that time) 11-year old son where we were charged aggressively by a Longhorn bull who apparently felt we were a threat.

He was 5 steps from dying as I wasn't going to let my boy die under the hoofs and horns of a bull in a quiet pasture on a Friday afternoon. Had I had to kill that bull to save our lives, I would have happily paid the rancher for it, but I'm sure it would have been an uncomfortable conversation with all involved.

With that reference back in my mind, I too may have acted similarly. Like was said, a short video that doesn't answer all the questions.
 
Originally Posted By: Crimson RaptorGood points all. Us flatlanders don't have moose, but Redfrog's clear statement on the dangers of moose reminded me of a day calling with my (at that time) 11-year old son where we were charged aggressively by a Longhorn bull who apparently felt we were a threat.

He was 5 steps from dying as I wasn't going to let my boy die under the hoofs and horns of a bull in a quiet pasture on a Friday afternoon. Had I had to kill that bull to save our lives, I would have happily paid the rancher for it, but I'm sure it would have been an uncomfortable conversation with all involved.

With that reference back in my mind, I too may have acted similarly. Like was said, a short video that doesn't answer all the questions.


+1. Also agree with Redfrog, who I imagine has more moose experience than anybody here.

I fail to see the logic in anyone who would shoot a coyote for sport (aka entertainment) having the temerity to object to someone shooting a moose in self defense. Are you going to eat that coyote you shot? Did it threaten your life?

Next time somebody posts a video from one of their coyote hunts, I plan on chiming in that "the situation could have been avoided". Wonder how that will go over?
 
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