SlickerThanSnot
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Originally Posted By: GCFrom what I understand the incident is being investigated by the wildlife agency where this occurred.
where did this happen
where did this happen
Snow-mobiler kills attacking MOOSE with his GLOCK!
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Based on what is shown in the video it appears to me that it may have been preventable. That said, that's not what I'm concluding.
We can't see the area, so no way to tell if there was a safe way around or not. We don't see what happened after, so no way to judge that. Did the guy call it in & wait for a game warden or any sort of LEO to come check it out?
Just too much unknown to really be able to evaluate with surety. That's why I'd like to see what an investigation determines.
We can't see the area, so no way to tell if there was a safe way around or not. We don't see what happened after, so no way to judge that. Did the guy call it in & wait for a game warden or any sort of LEO to come check it out?
Just too much unknown to really be able to evaluate with surety. That's why I'd like to see what an investigation determines.
Kizmo
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Originally Posted By: GCI think Wyoming... A Casper radio station is running a poll about the incident and 75% of the responders do NOT support the snowmobile riders actions.
And...?
Surely you're not advocating the tyranny of the majority? We are, after all, a constitutional republic (for the moment).
And...?
Surely you're not advocating the tyranny of the majority? We are, after all, a constitutional republic (for the moment).
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Rudi
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The only animals I have been charged by are Elephants, and Hippoes, and a warthog... I know enough to know that the moose was not going to be spooked off easily, he gave it a warning shot and that didn't faze it. Given sitting here on our couches saying he could have gone around it, or he could have backed off and taken a different route... Sure he could have, but he didn't, He did what he thought was necessary to survive. When you are placed in that situation, you can get tunnel vision... and as soon as that flight or fight response kicks in you are on auto pilot, juiced to the nth degree on adrenaline. He did what he had to do to walk away from this encounter... He tried to spook the animal a number of times, giving it plenty of chances to escape. I think he acted justly, as long as he took the correct after action reports with the DNR... I doubt he would have posted the video if he had done something wrong.
It's a shame the moose died, but the human survived that is the important thing... Hopefully the meat was donated by the DNR to a worthy cause
It's a shame the moose died, but the human survived that is the important thing... Hopefully the meat was donated by the DNR to a worthy cause
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Originally Posted By: KizmoOriginally Posted By: RudiHopefully the meat was donated by the DNR to a worthy cause
In the event that anyone from the DNR is reading this, I volunteer to be that worthy cause. Moose meat is scarce around here.
I am most entertained
I have been bluff charged by several moose and give them a healthy amount of space by staying out of their space. The end result for this video is sad for the moose and good for the human. One thing for sure he gave plenty of evidence for the LEO's.
In the event that anyone from the DNR is reading this, I volunteer to be that worthy cause. Moose meat is scarce around here.
I am most entertained
I have been bluff charged by several moose and give them a healthy amount of space by staying out of their space. The end result for this video is sad for the moose and good for the human. One thing for sure he gave plenty of evidence for the LEO's.
GC
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Originally Posted By: KizmoOriginally Posted By: GCI think Wyoming... A Casper radio station is running a poll about the incident and 75% of the responders do NOT support the snowmobile riders actions.
And...?
Surely you're advocating the tyranny of the majority? We are, after all, a constitutional republic (for the moment).
Not suggesting anything, just reporting what I have read about the event here on this discussion forum.
And...?
Surely you're advocating the tyranny of the majority? We are, after all, a constitutional republic (for the moment).
Not suggesting anything, just reporting what I have read about the event here on this discussion forum.
Originally Posted By: GCI think Wyoming... A Casper radio station is running a poll about the incident and 75% of the responders do NOT support the snowmobile riders actions.
Surely you're not relying on this "poll" to help support your view in this matter.....I hope.
The same 75% of those people would probably want to hang you.....and everyone else on this website for shooting poor little "dogs and cats" (aka coyotes and bobcats) in cruel and unfair ways.
It's probably the same percentage of people that voted to bring Obama back for a second term.
Surely you're not relying on this "poll" to help support your view in this matter.....I hope.
The same 75% of those people would probably want to hang you.....and everyone else on this website for shooting poor little "dogs and cats" (aka coyotes and bobcats) in cruel and unfair ways.
It's probably the same percentage of people that voted to bring Obama back for a second term.
Mr. Poppadopalis
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Originally Posted By: RedfrogCan anyone who has been within 100 feet of a moose tell me what the recommended course of action should be to avoid an attack?
Only those with real world experience need reply.
Redfrog,
I am by no means an expert on Moose!
With that said, here is one thing I will add.
1. He was probably 150 Yards from the Moose, he (Snowmobiler) chose to move even closer did he not?
Regardless of what every body thinks or says, the Division of Wildlife WILL have the final say. The snowmobiler chose to advance on the Moose, believe it or not, the Moose had more rights than the snowmobiler.
Originally Posted By: KizmoUh, I AM out to kill animals for fun. What's wrong with that? If you don't enjoy hunting, why do it?
Kizmo,
Was this hunting to you??
Originally Posted By: ARCOREYLets put this in a perspective most anyone can understand. I'm riding my ATV with a GoPro on my helmet and have a Glock on my side. No problem so far. I open a gate into a pasture where an Angus bull resides. This is his territory, just like the moose. I have the option as noted by the alternate tracks in the video going left about 3 seconds into the footage to avoid confrontation or revving my engine to anger the animal. I decide to yell, stand up, and become the aggressor even though the moose/bull was standing its ground before I encroached. After being attacked for my aggression in the moose's/bulls home territory, I draw a pistol that I deserve to carry, and shoot the moose/bull wounding it with an insufficient round for such an animal in a spray and pray method. I then retreat within feet of the wounded animal recording video of the event and do nothing to end the animals suffering although the threat has been somewhat neutralized. Finally I post the stupidity for the world to see? In my scenario, I owe a farmer over $1000 for my ignorance. Am I missing something? Are the tracks to the left not visible to anybody else about 3 seconds in? Could the warning shot have not been 90 degrees to the animal in the air or in the snow. When bluffed on the second charge, would you not have decided to take action? Claiming an animal of this magnitude died within minutes of taking a range of spray and pray rounds from a defensive handgun barely able to subdue a human is pure ignorance. Sugar coat it any way you want, a Glock is not likely to quickly subdue an adult moose without a well placed shot to the cranial vault. I don't care how much experience you have with them or what country you live in, 100lb animals can withstand that much abuse. Stupid is stupid and this falls under the rule, if you feel threatened, shoot, shovel, and shut up. Heavy emphasis on the latter. For me, I'd have just sit and watched or taken the tracks to the left.
Spot on AR Corey!
Only those with real world experience need reply.
Redfrog,
I am by no means an expert on Moose!
With that said, here is one thing I will add.
1. He was probably 150 Yards from the Moose, he (Snowmobiler) chose to move even closer did he not?
Regardless of what every body thinks or says, the Division of Wildlife WILL have the final say. The snowmobiler chose to advance on the Moose, believe it or not, the Moose had more rights than the snowmobiler.
Originally Posted By: KizmoUh, I AM out to kill animals for fun. What's wrong with that? If you don't enjoy hunting, why do it?
Kizmo,
Was this hunting to you??
Originally Posted By: ARCOREYLets put this in a perspective most anyone can understand. I'm riding my ATV with a GoPro on my helmet and have a Glock on my side. No problem so far. I open a gate into a pasture where an Angus bull resides. This is his territory, just like the moose. I have the option as noted by the alternate tracks in the video going left about 3 seconds into the footage to avoid confrontation or revving my engine to anger the animal. I decide to yell, stand up, and become the aggressor even though the moose/bull was standing its ground before I encroached. After being attacked for my aggression in the moose's/bulls home territory, I draw a pistol that I deserve to carry, and shoot the moose/bull wounding it with an insufficient round for such an animal in a spray and pray method. I then retreat within feet of the wounded animal recording video of the event and do nothing to end the animals suffering although the threat has been somewhat neutralized. Finally I post the stupidity for the world to see? In my scenario, I owe a farmer over $1000 for my ignorance. Am I missing something? Are the tracks to the left not visible to anybody else about 3 seconds in? Could the warning shot have not been 90 degrees to the animal in the air or in the snow. When bluffed on the second charge, would you not have decided to take action? Claiming an animal of this magnitude died within minutes of taking a range of spray and pray rounds from a defensive handgun barely able to subdue a human is pure ignorance. Sugar coat it any way you want, a Glock is not likely to quickly subdue an adult moose without a well placed shot to the cranial vault. I don't care how much experience you have with them or what country you live in, 100lb animals can withstand that much abuse. Stupid is stupid and this falls under the rule, if you feel threatened, shoot, shovel, and shut up. Heavy emphasis on the latter. For me, I'd have just sit and watched or taken the tracks to the left.
Spot on AR Corey!
when I was a kid living in northern Mn. almost every year I would have a bull moose jump up less than 20 yards from me when grouse hunting.I would just stand there quiet and not move.It was always a tense minute or so,sometimes quicker and the huge bulls would turn and trot away.One fellow wasnt so lucky when he came upon a cow.She charged him and he tried to climb a tree but she knocked him down,kicked him in the head and knocked him cold.She obviously then left him because he came to very lucky to be alive.There were lots of moose in the early seventies,many huge bulls.It was an exciting time and I am lucky to have the memories of those many encounters with the worlds largest deer.If one of those monsters would of charged I would of done my best to put a point blank load of bird shot in his brain.Im glad I never had to make that choice because the moose may have won.
Originally Posted By: J.Markwhen I was a kid living in northern Mn. almost every year I would have a bull moose jump up less than 20 yards from me when grouse hunting.I would just stand there quiet and not move.It was always a tense minute or so,sometimes quicker and the huge bulls would turn and trot away.One fellow wasnt so lucky when he came upon a cow.She charged him and he tried to climb a tree but she knocked him down,kicked him in the head and knocked him cold.She obviously then left him because he came to very lucky to be alive.There were lots of moose in the early seventies,many huge bulls.It was an exciting time and I am lucky to have the memories of those many encounters with the worlds largest deer.If one of those monsters would of charged I would of done my best to put a point blank load of bird shot in his brain.Im glad I never had to make that choice because the moose may have won.
Around 2000 my older sister was stationed in the UK with the navy. She is the city girl in a family of country boys and girls. She was at the parents house in northern Utah waking up early one morning her cell phone rang. She ran out the front door into the yard focused on getting better cell phone reception she was several steps into the yard and looked over an arms length away there was a moose. She could have touched it. Those who were home have never seen her move faster back into the house and slamming the door. These animals are very neat and those who have been around them know close encounters with a moose can be a little scary.
Around 2000 my older sister was stationed in the UK with the navy. She is the city girl in a family of country boys and girls. She was at the parents house in northern Utah waking up early one morning her cell phone rang. She ran out the front door into the yard focused on getting better cell phone reception she was several steps into the yard and looked over an arms length away there was a moose. She could have touched it. Those who were home have never seen her move faster back into the house and slamming the door. These animals are very neat and those who have been around them know close encounters with a moose can be a little scary.
Kizmo
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Originally Posted By: Mr. PoppadopalisOriginally Posted By: KizmoUh, I AM out to kill animals for fun. What's wrong with that? If you don't enjoy hunting, why do it?
Kizmo,
Was this hunting to you??
I don't know. I've never been moose hunting.
I was responding to 5spd's comment bemoaning how horrible it is to kill animals for fun.
Originally Posted By: 5spd
All this does is make honest hunters look like we are all just out to kill animals for fun
Kizmo,
Was this hunting to you??
I don't know. I've never been moose hunting.
I was responding to 5spd's comment bemoaning how horrible it is to kill animals for fun.
Originally Posted By: 5spd
All this does is make honest hunters look like we are all just out to kill animals for fun
Warboar_21
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It's hard to sit here and judge him without all the facts. In my encounters with wild animals in close proximity (moose, elk, and bear) space and non provocation has worked for me. Doesn't mean I didn't have a firearm at the ready pointed at them in case they decided to squash me or eat me. Never turn and run as it will most likely end badly for you.
I would have liked to see him put the animal down for good but it's hard to say that it did or didn't die or that he talked with his partner and went back to finish the job. Moose can soak up many well placed rounds from high powered rifles and not know they are dead. Sometimes it takes a minute or two for them to realize they are dead.
What I don't understand is why he wasn't carrying his handgun with one in the chamber. He is lucky that he had the chance to load the weapon in the first place. If that moose decided to not break off the attack he would have been lucky to pull the weapon let alone pull it and chamber a round. It looked like it was a Glock 29. If it was then the 10MM is certainly a capable round for defense against large animals like the moose. With 200gr wfn cast bullets it will penetrate far more than a standard hollow point or bonded bullet will.
I have been snowmobiling many times and know first hand that it is better to stay on either hard packed snow or a trail. Breaking from a trail and going off into soft snow is a recipe for disaster at low speeds. In soft snow you need the ability to use throttle and throwing your weight around to turn. Not something that is easily done in woods like he was in. If you are in the open and can keep up your speed you are less likely to get it stuck. Reverse on those things is not meant to do long backing. It is meant more for short distance like unloading from a trailer or garage.
I would have liked to see him put the animal down for good but it's hard to say that it did or didn't die or that he talked with his partner and went back to finish the job. Moose can soak up many well placed rounds from high powered rifles and not know they are dead. Sometimes it takes a minute or two for them to realize they are dead.
What I don't understand is why he wasn't carrying his handgun with one in the chamber. He is lucky that he had the chance to load the weapon in the first place. If that moose decided to not break off the attack he would have been lucky to pull the weapon let alone pull it and chamber a round. It looked like it was a Glock 29. If it was then the 10MM is certainly a capable round for defense against large animals like the moose. With 200gr wfn cast bullets it will penetrate far more than a standard hollow point or bonded bullet will.
I have been snowmobiling many times and know first hand that it is better to stay on either hard packed snow or a trail. Breaking from a trail and going off into soft snow is a recipe for disaster at low speeds. In soft snow you need the ability to use throttle and throwing your weight around to turn. Not something that is easily done in woods like he was in. If you are in the open and can keep up your speed you are less likely to get it stuck. Reverse on those things is not meant to do long backing. It is meant more for short distance like unloading from a trailer or garage.
Speaking as someone that found himself between a moose cow and calf once while hiking in the middle of nowhere in northern Colorado I can assure you all that the very last thing on my mind was the right of the moose to be there or whether I could have or should have gone around.
My total focus was on whether I would be forced to shoot/kill her or whether she would allow me to quietly back out of there and let her live to surprise someone else another day.
She was a bit uphill from me and at about 15yards before I saw her step out of the brush and she looked gigantic and imposing. Yes boys and girls I was afraid for my life. LOL
You can talk about what you would do from the safety of your armchair all day long but until you've faced certain death or maiming while many miles from medical help you probably don't have a clue what you'd do.
I'm not saying he did right or wrong but it's very hard to know the whole circumstances from the video and the only criticism I have of him is that I would certainly have made sure she didn't lay there and suffer after I shot her. I would have made sure my companion was at a safe distance and gone back to make sure the job was finished. If he did that, then the investigating officers decision and possibly later a judge will determine what, if anything, should happen to the man who shot the moose and rightly so.
I can assure you that I wouldn't have just sat on my snowmobile and let her attack me a second time without defending myself. That's the only thing I'm sure of and my Glock 10mm is the Model 20 full size version and yes I'm prepared to use it in defense of my life or my friend's life any time I need to.
bob
My total focus was on whether I would be forced to shoot/kill her or whether she would allow me to quietly back out of there and let her live to surprise someone else another day.
She was a bit uphill from me and at about 15yards before I saw her step out of the brush and she looked gigantic and imposing. Yes boys and girls I was afraid for my life. LOL
You can talk about what you would do from the safety of your armchair all day long but until you've faced certain death or maiming while many miles from medical help you probably don't have a clue what you'd do.
I'm not saying he did right or wrong but it's very hard to know the whole circumstances from the video and the only criticism I have of him is that I would certainly have made sure she didn't lay there and suffer after I shot her. I would have made sure my companion was at a safe distance and gone back to make sure the job was finished. If he did that, then the investigating officers decision and possibly later a judge will determine what, if anything, should happen to the man who shot the moose and rightly so.
I can assure you that I wouldn't have just sat on my snowmobile and let her attack me a second time without defending myself. That's the only thing I'm sure of and my Glock 10mm is the Model 20 full size version and yes I'm prepared to use it in defense of my life or my friend's life any time I need to.
bob
The biggest mistake he made was posting this video... I know what I would have done and it would not include posting the video...