The word "Harvest" sounds really stupid

I usually just mind my own buisness BUT I have to comment on this post. I do not use the term ''Harvest'' very often myself BUT I do not think A person needs to use ''graphic'' terms either. Even when I trapped for A living during the winter months I tried to keep A low profile and not let everyone in on what I was doing. Not because I was ashamed of it or doing anything illegal but just because I did it for myself not to show everyone I killed this or killed that. And maybe it is just me, but I always felt A respect for the animals.
 
I too have been lurking with this post and have come to one conclusion. If we have to defend what we do just to make others more comfortable with us "THEY" have won the battle. They have modified our behavior to the point we are ashamed of what it is we did. I'm not saying we should be graphic about it, just if you can't say what it is you've hunted and killed the way you did do it "then why the H*#L did you do it that way"?I for one have no guilt of what I have done...It was lawfull and moral the way I did it,,,PERIOD!!!My children can live with it and so can I!
 
GS-i would really enjoy a hunt with you.
love meetin new folks.
i like to stir things up sometimes.
especially leftist subjects and leftys.

am an easy goin fun lovin yote blaster.

i think SPENTSHELL ade the best repoly on this.
me loves good humor.

ya'll see my new topic at predator forum about my lazy yote this morning.
good health and happiness to all
ric
 
I appreciate your passion Curly. I hope you will come to my seminar at the Harrisburg show on the first weekend of Feb. If you do, stop by the booth or catch me after the seminar and we can talk shop.

HuntedOne, I like the way you state your case.

I honestly think every one on here feels like you do Curly and is not ashamed of what they do. I don't agree with your assertion that we have lost the battle simply because we may try to explain in less offensive terms what we do or, in your term, "defend" what we do.

Instead of viewing it as a moment to defend, try to view it as a moment to educate. Because as Flattail points out, the middle 80% are the ones that need to be educated because, friends, they are the ones who will be the "swing" votes when politics tries to take away what you love to do. I just think it is prudent to speak of what we do in less confrontational or offensive language at critical times.

I am not trying to make our fraternity grow by leaps and bounds because societal trends probably will keep that from ever becoming a reality. What I do want to see is that the public at large never gets to the point where their perspective is that only old white guys are hunters. If we don't keep our ranks diverse across the age spectrum and improve our percentage of women and minority participants what incentive will others have to allow us to keep doing what we do?

If using the word Harvest, take, eliminate, reduce, thin or any other alternative to "kill" is what gives me an advantage at that moment with the middle grounder, then that is what I will use. It doesn't make me any less a man or hunter. I just hope it makes me more successful at fighting for what you and I both want our kids and grandkids to have the ability and opportunity to do......hunt.
 
aviation has tried to grow the licensed pilot crowd with talk and politics.
stays about 1%.

dang- i think i am never gonna call up anothern.
maybe i ain't too good a hunter.

gonna get in my airplane and harvest one wif my wheels.{skiis}
 
I too think that GS said it very well, just remember folks, when or if our right to hunt ever comes to a vote most people who vote don't hunt and its the image we protray that will come to mind in the voting booth. If you want to be a ex hunter just keep on telling all the non hunters out there how you pull the head off a dove cause you didn't want it to suffer or how many whatever you killed, Harvest is maybe not the right word but "take" or "got" ain't to bad
 
Who is this GS guy anyways? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif He seems to be pretty smart, he's got to be over 40 lol /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Years ago I had to struggle with the use of "kill" vs "harvest" etc. You see, I started to write and actually was published a few times. Of course most all of it was hunting stuff. So, my audience was hunters. Even so, I noted that in some of the publications the word kill was never used.

I had a serious problem with "harvest." I decided I wouldn't use it. I generally used kill but found that I was able to pick my words to the appropriate audience. For example. "The coyote came steadily and when he got close enough, I killed him." Or, I could write, "The coyote came steadily and when he was close enough I laid into the trigger and he dropped at the shot." If "kill" wasn't appropriate for the publication, I used the second type of writing. I don't believe I sacrificed anything.

But, I refuse to use harvest.

Randy
 
I don't mind the word harvest but I to like to KILL stuff, but you have to remember we live in a world where killing isn't quite a good term to use unless your hunting someone in another country. For the sake of all hunters and your rights to KILL game, just use the word harvest when your in the company of non-hunters. Remember, they are the ones who will vote for the guys who don't like US TO KILL and maybe you will make a good impression on one of them to change their minds. lemnich01@aol.com
 
Wow. this could be the hottest, most responded to thread on this entire forum. I'll bet 45 people respond before a moderator decides it's too controversial and deletes it.

(Hits the snooze button and goes back to mixed martial arts tv.com)
 
sosignal32,

For some reason I take offense to your post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Seems to me that the topic is generating some pretty decent discussion.

How's your TV show?

Randy
 
Ohhh Danny.... you are such a stink pot!!!!You little trouble maker you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Randy, I had the same thought. I was real pleased it had stayed so civil. What have you done to this crowd since I have been away? This is a great thread that has stimulated thought and as long as very one respects the others opinion it will stay civil.

For the record Danny....49.....but age doesn't make you automatically smarter....just ask Saddam.
 
I've got so much respect for GS that I really hate to disagree, but I have to side with and echo Curleys words. Back in the 80's and 90's I wrote for several of the hunting mags and also for some law enforcement mag on firearm topics.
The words kill and weapon became almost forbidden in certain markets. While I try not to be crude when talking to non-hunters, I think that trying to disquise what we do with bland words is in a way dishonest.
As Curley said it makes it appear that we are somehow ashamed of what we did and appealing for forgivness. Now I know that none of us feel ashamed, but it makes it appear to the listener that is the case.
Same with the word weapon. My guns are in fact weapons and I use that word interchangably with gun for I am not ashamed of being a gun owner no matter how non-pc it makes me.
So for those who feel strongly I do not object when they harvest an animal. But I'll continue to harvest my crops and kill or take my game animals. Well, try and kill or take some game animals. Come to think of this, the last few months, this has been a non-issue for me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Anyway, just my thoughts.
OC
 
One last thought, when we use the words harvest,take,put down, dispatch, or others. We lose some of the true sence of the story. I can only go back and appreciate the writings of Elmer Keith,Rosevelt,Robert Rouk, Hemingway, Steve Timm , and many others. Read some of Steve Timms work in The Varmint Hunter Magazine, pure get to the point discritive writing that can only be achived with using the right words, no matter how harsh or offensive they might seem to others. When we have to use other words in there place we lose a style of writing that will never be replaced. I think Steve Timms Style of writting is very simple and very beutiful. What you say and how you say it is your choice.
 
Think of how little respect you would have Ozark Charlie, for someone who acted like you should not disagree with them. I want you disagree with me if that is the way you feel. It's ok to agree to disagree.

I have to be honest with you Ozark, tagging someone with "asking for forgiveness" or "being dishonest" because they use words that are less offensive to others is a bit of a stretch....in my humble opinion. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I have tried to remember a time when I have used harvest or any other substitute word where anybody in the non hunting audience scoffed or challenged the use of it. Reasonable and intelligent people know what you are referring to. If a child asks what you mean you have just opened the door to the opportunity to educate...which is what I suspect TheHuntedOne does well.

Now that I think about it some Hunters and hardcore anti's are the only people that object to it's use.

sosignal32, I think the reason that a thread would get pulled is because of the tone or rancor it might take on. This thread has nothing objectionable in it and I hope it goes on to a natural death because people are just tired of talking about it. I sincerely don't believe it will end because one side has convinced the other to change sides. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Well stated point Dog Hunter. It would really be interesting to me to see how the old guys would have written in todays climate of PC. Steve is a good writer but I would bet that not many Dentist or Doctors offices have The Varmit Hunter laying around for the average Joe to read. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Actually, I would love to see any doctors or other professionals office with any hunting info on the table! Many don't even have SI anymore. I think it has become eaiser to just pass rather than offend "somebody" well heck they offend me ...I have to pay their bill and I don't want to read "Womans Day". But today in society men are taking on more of the old"womans" roles with the family as jobs and circumstances have changed but doctors offices have now done away with "Outdoor Life" and other outdoor related (traditionaly thought of as mens) mags.I just feel we need to be as assertive as the anti in opening our views (expresed the right way)to the "on the fence" others. I honestly believe a stong offense will better a strong defense!!! I have really enjoyed this discussion and I hope it continues as maybe we can find a way to open others to (I'm sorry-I just cann't help saying it) our side.WE need to be possitive!!!
 
I have enjoyed it too Curly. I'm glad you have participated. I am one of the lucky ones who has a dentist that does have a selection of outdoor related magazines to read(not TVH though). He is a bowhunter and our conversations almost always revolve around hunting related subjects as he inflicts pain on me and takes my money away from me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Ky-ote, I hope that comment was in jest. That kind of stuff is the match to the fire that might cause this thread to go down in flames. Now go to your room and don't come out until dinner time. No TV, no video games and do your homework. :rolleyes:

If I can be called dishonest, a leftist and weak (ask for forgiveness) and still not take my toys and go home in a huff, then you can stay civil and not make it personal. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
GS,"Reasonable and intelligent people know what you are referring to." Thank you very much!!!Grinr /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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