VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT

Originally Posted By: Rim_RunnerOriginally Posted By: sweatybettyRimmy, you have asked an interesting question. why are the "birthers" trying to get the documents? but the BIG question is why arent those documents being released? if they have no bearing, whats the big deal? the "birthers" shouldnt have any problem getting said documents.
The way things are right now a political candidate has the same right to privacy as any other citizen. I don’t think any of us want our health, work, financial and other records made public without our permission. So should someone give up that right to privacy when they run for public office? That might not be a bad idea but it would have to be done evenly across the board. I wonder how many people would run if that was a requirement.
That is about the scariest statement I have heard yet.Not expecting a candidate to produce his records.
If I were to go to work for you,would you require that I be truthful? If I tried to block you from obtaining records , as to my health, my education, my birth place,criminal record, would you hire me ?
 
Quote:That is about the scariest statement I have heard yet.Not expecting a candidate to produce his records. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that the records of a candidate have the same legal protections as the records of any citizen. It is up to them to release the records or not. There have been many cases were the media has raised a fuss trying to get a candidate to release some record. Some of the time the candidate releases the records and some times they don’t. While I don’t have anything to back it up, my opinion is that the chance of a record getting released depends on the candidates perception of how many votes will be lost if the record isn’t released.

Quote: f I tried to block you from obtaining records , as to my health, my education, my birth place,criminal record, would you hire me ? You don’t have to block a potential employer from your records. State and Federal laws take care of that. If that potential employer wants records they have to get a signed waver from you to request those records. The waver is usually very specific and there are some records that they are prohibited by law from asking for.
 
Originally Posted By: OldTurtleRR, There is a big difference between a "Private" individual and their 'rights to privacy' and a "Public" figure, whether it is a politician or entertainer...The courts have already decided that, when it comes to investigative reporting...

There are differences in what is "fair game" for news reports and publicity...
try sending for the medical records, school transcripts and BC of some of your states public officials and see what they send back.
 
Quote:Since FDR "put one over" on the public it's been pretty much de rigueur for at least presidential candidates to release all that info.
It’s been common for groups to ask but they don’t always get what they want. The election is over, usually the request stop after the election. What’s different this time?
 
Originally Posted By: Rim_RunnerQuote:Since FDR "put one over" on the public it's been pretty much de rigueur for at least presidential candidates to release all that info.
It’s been common for groups to ask but they don’t always get what they want. The election is over, usually the request stop after the election. What’s different this time?


Gee rimmy,I'm surprised that a guy so ENLIGHTENED as yourself would ask such a blatantly obvious question.It's different this time because he refuses to release any proof. In fact,spends big bucks to block any view of the truth. Not much different really than is ummhhh transparent government though,huh? Oh, and by the way,back on your head,the enlightenment is wearing off.

 
So you thought it was wrong for people to be delving into Bush's National Guard records, his school transcripts, drinking habits in college, etc, etc, etc? After all he had a right to privacy...didn't he?

Odd, I don't remember you taking the same stance then.

In any case, the records in question in this case are records that may pertain to whether or not Obama is legally the president of the United States.

And THAT my friend makes it an entirely different kettle of fish.

(And I'm still waiting for that rational explanation.)
 
What would happen if there happened to be a few states that passed laws requiring specific information such as this to be presended to their voters 90 days before the candidate's name could be put on a ballot? Is that legal? If so, why doesn't Texas and some other RED states require that?
 
Quote:In any case, the records in question in this case are records that may pertain to whether or not Obama is legally the president of the United States.

And THAT my friend makes it an entirely different kettle of fish.

a signed, stamped COLB verifying a US birth place is all that is needed. The rest is just a fishing expedition.
 
Originally Posted By: mikal If any candidate refuses to make his records public, I don't vote for him/her, period.
What do you do if they all refuse?
 
Originally Posted By: azmastablastaIt's different this time because he refuses to release any proof. In fact,spends big bucks to block any view of the truth.
He released his COLB and the state confirmed his place of birth. As far as spending big bucks "to block any view of the truth", he hasn't had to because those documents are protected by state and federal law. No one has shown proof that the legal fees shown on WND were spent to hide documents.
 
The birth cert he provided was not a legal raised seal certificate that is accepted for proof of birth. If you want to change your identity you can buy a birth cert and print all the info and even get a raised seal.
 
Originally Posted By: Rim_RunnerQuote:In any case, the records in question in this case are records that may pertain to whether or not Obama is legally the president of the United States.

And THAT my friend makes it an entirely different kettle of fish.

a signed, stamped COLB verifying a US birth place is all that is needed. The rest is just a fishing expedition.


How many times do you think you've typed that in the last year?
 
Originally Posted By: Rim_RunnerOriginally Posted By: azmastablastaIt's different this time because he refuses to release any proof. In fact,spends big bucks to block any view of the truth.
He released his COLB and the state confirmed his place of birth. As far as spending big bucks "to block any view of the truth", he hasn't had to because those documents are protected by state and federal law. No one has shown proof that the legal fees shown on WND were spent to hide documents.

I have shown clear proof.

Robert Bauer is a partner in Perkins Coie. The monies paid to Perkins are disclosed in the federal filings I have posted here. Perkins' Bauer has been the lead attorney on ALL of the lawsuits seeking the various documents requested to determine Obama's eligibility to be POTUS. There is NO EVIDENCE that Perkins, the law firm of Boeing, Google and Starbucks, is working for Obama for free, in fact, we know it is not since the REQUIRED federal disclosures show Perkins has, in fact, received payment from the Obama camp.

Letters like this do not write themselves for free, lol, they cost A LOT of money:

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These defenses undertaken by Perkins have sought to keep concealed Obama's BC--they have all had that element and there has been a lot of billable hours dedicated by the firm to that end.

Obama's team has NEVER denied that it has spent over $1 million on this, not once. Nor has Obama's team EVER suggested that Bauer was doing this work pro bono and that the DOCUMENTED fees paid by Obama to Perkins were for non-presidential eligibility cases, not once. Only you, Rimmy, even hint at that and you do so without ANY evidence. You also seem to suggest that some public document breaks down as some kind of hourly law firm bill does, work allocated by a law firm, and no such publicly disclosed document exists and team Obama isn't sharing anything with the public, it works in the darkness and shadows! What DOES EXIST is irrefutable documentation that Perkins is being paid LOTS of money during a period in which that firm was ACTIVELY defending Obama in an effort to keep hidden his records--records that other candidates over the years have freely released.

No rational person would spend a dime to conceal their BC, unless he was hiding something.

Rimmy, here is a summary of what I see as your real position: 'The guy I voted for got away with this and that's tough beans for you guys. Right and wrong and the traditional American concept of honor, truthfulness and fair play...of 'doing the right thing' do NOT matter for squat to Obama's side, what DOES matter is what one can get away with. Deal with it Birthers.'

You're a good guy Rimmy, I just don't see how you can defend any effort to keep hidden a record that is, in many states, unfortunatley not HI, public information.
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Originally Posted By: Rim_Runner

a signed, stamped COLB verifying a US birth place is all that is needed. The rest is just a fishing expedition.


No way Jose!

“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]”

So, if you read the statute you can see that as long as an adult can walk into the state office and provide proof that they are a legal resident of Hawaii, the document is issued. Obama's wacko mother could have done this upon return from, say, Kenya. This is why the 1961 BC is the PRIMARY source and the COLB is a SECONDARY computer-generated source. There is a HUGE difference in the two documents.

Obama could put this all to rest in 10 seconds, but he doesn't do so. How odd.
 
Quote:The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
from where in this do you come up with the theory that the parents didn’t need any proof of place of birth and that the COLB could show an Hawaii birth place if the person wasn’t born in Hawaii? The biggest flaw is that this law wasn’t passed until 1981.
 
Quote:Letters like this do not write themselves for free, lol, they cost A LOT of money: That letter is a warning about filing frivolous lawsuits.

Quote:Obama's team has NEVER denied that it has spent over $1 million on this, not once. Nor has Obama's team EVER suggested that Bauer was doing this work pro bono and that the DOCUMENTED fees paid by Obama to Perkins were for non-presidential eligibility cases, not once.
and your point is? There is no proof in the evidence WND offered but because no one has denied it the allegations must be true?

No rational person would spend a dime to conceal their BC, unless he was hiding something. What information relevant to his place of birth do you think is on the original form that is not on the COLB?

Quote:Rimmy, here is a summary of what I see as your real position: 'The guy I voted for got away with this and that's tough beans for you guys. Right and wrong and the traditional American concept of honor, truthfulness and fair play...of 'doing the right thing' do NOT matter for squat to Obama's side, what DOES matter is what one can get away with. Deal with it Birthers.' You’re way of the mark there Java. My real position is that the birthers have been weaving an incredible scenario of misinformation and have spun speculation, half truths and outright lies to create a myth surrounding the eligibility of Obama.
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Originally Posted By: Rim_RunnerQuote:Letters like this do not write themselves for free, lol, they cost A LOT of money: That letter is a warning about filing frivolous lawsuits.

Quote:Obama's team has NEVER denied that it has spent over $1 million on this, not once. Nor has Obama's team EVER suggested that Bauer was doing this work pro bono and that the DOCUMENTED fees paid by Obama to Perkins were for non-presidential eligibility cases, not once.
and your point is? There is no proof in the evidence WND offered but because no one has denied it the allegations must be true?

No rational person would spend a dime to conceal their BC, unless he was hiding something. What information relevant to his place of birth do you think is on the original form that is not on the COLB?

Quote:Rimmy, here is a summary of what I see as your real position: 'The guy I voted for got away with this and that's tough beans for you guys. Right and wrong and the traditional American concept of honor, truthfulness and fair play...of 'doing the right thing' do NOT matter for squat to Obama's side, what DOES matter is what one can get away with. Deal with it Birthers.' You’re way of the mark there Java. My real position is that the birthers have been weaving an incredible scenario of misinformation and have spun speculation, half truths and outright lies to create a myth surrounding the eligibility of Obama.


How come the complete blackout of all of O's records, not just the BC but all of his college/passport/adoption/social security numbers ad nauseum. Why no coverage of all his communist mentors and associates? Why no MSM investigations? Only a democrat could get away with this deception without a media explosion. Nobody really knows anything about this character that is backed up with any kind of documentation. He is a real Manchurian Candidate.
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