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He only speaks the truth. The reason radical islamics hate america is because we have had troops based in the middle east for years (especially saudi arabia..thier holy land), oh and we bully thier countries. The United States does not need to be world police, or nation build. We do more harm TO OURSELVES by getting involved militarily in foriegn affairs. If we would take care of HOME first, instead of spending BILLIONS a month overseas, i think AMERICA would be better off. There was a saying about the British EMPIRE..."the sun never sets on the British Empire", the same could be said about OUR military. By the way...THATS NOT GOOD!!! You should love Ron Paul, according to your signature. Ron Paul is against the Patriot Act, Military Commissions act, the NAU ect. He wants to preserve the freedom and liberties of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.


 
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He only speaks the truth. The reason radical islamics hate america is because we have had troops based in the middle east for years (especially saudi arabia..thier holy land), oh and we bully thier countries. The United States does not need to be world police, or nation build. We do more harm TO OURSELVES by getting involved militarily in foriegn affairs. If we would take care of HOME first, instead of spending BILLIONS a month overseas, i think AMERICA would be better off. There was a saying about the British EMPIRE..."the sun never sets on the British Empire", the same could be said about OUR military. By the way...THATS NOT GOOD!!! You should love Ron Paul, according to your signature. Ron Paul is against the Patriot Act, Military Commissions act, the NAU ect. He wants to preserve the freedom and liberties of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.






jwp is correct. Just read "Ghost Wars" by Steve Coll or "First In" by Gary Schroen. A real eye opener.
 
"The reason radical islamics hate america is because we have had troops based in the middle east for years"

No, the reason they hate us is we are infidels in their sight. If we can't be converted, then we must be killed. That's the big problem with the Paulbots- they blame America first. A major difference between us and the British Empire is the British Empire claimed ownership of and had complete control of it's territories. I haven't heard anything out of Washington about making any Middle Eastern country one of our territories. As far as the Patriot Act, can anyone here name a single freedom we have lost as a result of it? What it has done is given us the ability to take down many of the Jihadist's plans to hit our nation, most without the population's knowledge. Isolationist policies were a disaster a century ago and would be much worse now. Combine that with his conspiracy theories on 9/11, radical comments about blacks and Jews along with being a generally irratating person and this guy would make a horrible President IMO. I've made a great effort to listen to him and be open minded. In the end, he reminded me of a cross between a mosquito and a hemorroid. BTW JWP, ragging on our military should be left to Kucinich and Pelosi.

Greg, Happy B-Day brother! How does it feel to be 80? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
I wasnt ragging on the military, i was ragging on the use of it. The Patriot Act gives the government the ability to spy on its own people, thats what is wrong with it(although its seems that the govt. attempts to scare people enough to give away thier own liberties is working well on you). And if you are IGNORANT enough to believe that we didnt have ANY impact on the way people in the middle east percieve us, you need to stop watching so much fox news. We dont claim ownership of other countries, we just help set up puppet governments so we can influence everything they do...
 
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So, by your logic if we pulled all our troops out of the Middle East tomorrow and retreated to our little corner of the world never to be heard from again then the Islamofacists would just leave us alone? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif And you call me ignorant? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif It would have just the opposite effect. The enemy (yes they are the enemy and we are in a war) would only be emboldened. Their so called holy book instructs them to kill the Jew and the infidel where you find them. They can't be negotiated with, they can't be reasoned with. The only message that gets through to them is overwhelming force. The Patriot Act doesn't give the government cart blanche authority to spy on U.S. citizens. I don't wear a turbin, launder money through Islamic "charities" or call for jihad, so it doesn't apply to me. It has given the government the ability to intercept messages from and to foreigners by the folks I just described. It removed some bureaucratic B.S. that was an obstacle to getting this information in real time. Now, what's wrong with having influence? As the world's lone superpower, influence is a good thing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif This whole pizzin' contest is moot anyway. Ron Paul has exactly ZERO chance of getting the nomination for the Republicans, but I'd take him over the Arkansas Broadbeam any day. Can we at least agree on that?
 
I don't really think he's talking about socialism... get your definitions right. That's what the democrats want more of, pushing for one socialist program after another.

As for voting into WW III... retreating to be attacked again on our home turf isn't the answer either. We will always have influence & interests abroad.
 
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Yeah, that's me- Dawg the Socialist /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Just 'cause I live in a socialist state doesn't make me one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
Thats what every other candidate wants to do. Govt. healthcare and more nation building war. If we attack Iran, good God help us. I wouldnt be suprised if Russia joins in on that one on Irans side...http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IJ26Ak06.html
 
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This is a video made in 1987 that shows our involvement in foreign affairs...and shows what BLOWBACK is.

 
Nice try jwp. Bill Moyers is an avowed far out left winger. Viewing that piece I couldn't help but think he paved the way for Michael Moore's "documentaries". How dare we want to take out the cute and lovable Ho Chi Mihn and Fidel Castro. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif They were just fuzzy little dictators minding their own business until the big, bad bully U.S. messed everything up. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Now you assert that every candidate except Ron Paul wants to bomb the world and socialize the U.S. healthcare system (that part would be true of ALL the Dem candidates.) Please explain to us why it would be a good thing for Iran to have nuclear weapons? Is that little turd ruler of Iran Jihadijad just another harmless dictator? Shouldn't we give diplomacy a chance? (We already have. You can't negotiate with Muslim fanatics.) I am opposed to a ground campaign in Iran. I believe we can take out Iran's nuclear program from the air (or assist the Israeli's in doing so) and the sooner the better. Time to wake up to the real world jwp, but if your main news source is Bill Moyers then you haven't a clue what the real world is like. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
why is it good for the U.S. to have nuclear weapons? Thats the problem, nobody wants to use diplomacy anymore. The government has been sucessful in its scare tactics, instilling FEAR in the american citizens. The citizens of the United States of America WILL end up letting the government take all of thier civil freedoms and liberties. All in the name of being safe. Now, why would the government want to take away our rights you ask? Why would the government want to form orginazations such as the NAU? Both questions can be answered as one. The New World Order, something the Bush sir talked about quite a bit when he was in office. Google it, youtube it, go to the library check some books out about it. The New World Order is real. I am voting for Ron Paul because he is against all the things that will eventually take away the U.S.'s Sovereignty. That is what is happening in the real world, right under your nose. But go ahead a keep being scared. RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!
 
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"why is it good for the U.S. to have nuclear weapons?" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Well, to start, it abruptly ended WWII, while saving the lives of tens of thousand American G.I.s by not having to invade the Japanese mainland. Just like the Islamofanatics of today, the Japs got the message only one way- BY BRUTE FORCE. They were prepared to fight to the last man, and would drag out the Pacific campaign for years, spilling the blood of those tens of thousands of G.I.'s. After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we used "diplomacy" saying, "Surrender or the whole island becomes 10,000 degrees." The Japs knew we meant it, and soon surrendered. While we haven't had to use nukes since, the fact that we may has discouraged major aggression to the U.S. mainland for 60 years. You never answered the question why a nuclear Iran would be a good thing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif What makes diplomacy work is A SHOW OF STRENGTH. How can Ron Paul's cutting and running from Iraq be construed as a show of strength? America has been slipping away from it's Constitutional roots for nearly a century, but Ron Paul can save us? In the newspaper ad you are gushing over,(you know, the one in the "centralized mainstream media" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif) Ron Paul berates the two party system, yet he is a member of one of those parties. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif Why not put his money where his mouth is and become an independant or run as a Losertarian? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Yes, there are many forces at work undermining our country's freedom and sovereignty, but there is little this loon can do about it. Sorry to whiz in your Wheaties, but the "Ron Paul Revolution" only exists in the small minds of Paulbots like yourself.
 
I guess we will see, i dont know about small minds. Do you think small minds could raise 4.2million dollars in one day? That ad is being put in the USA Today, not by RON PAUL, but by a supporter. He has nothing to do with the campaign. It is HIS money (150,000) that is paying for it. You still havent said why the U.S. should have nukes now. If Iran cant, why can we?
 
Oh, so his supporters can use the "centralized mainstream media", but he wouldn't. Yet, I recently saw him on Fox News, the channel you seem to despise? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Twice now I've asked why a nuclear Iran is a positive thing, twice you've dodged it. We should have them because we've had them for 60+ years, but have shown proper restraint in their use. It is part of the show of strength I alluded to. Military might provides leverage for diplomacy. Please don't tell me you are advocating our nuclear disarmament. If so, you belong in the Kucinich camp, not Paul's. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Should an Islamic fundamentalist state have them? Duhhh... no. They would use them in a heartbeat, starting with Israel, our only democratic ally in the region. But then, if we could only get rid of the CIA, we can stick our heads in the sand and let it happen. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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Oh, so his supporters can use the "centralized mainstream media", but he wouldn't. Yet, I recently saw him on Fox News, the channel you seem to despise? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Twice now I've asked why a nuclear Iran is a positive thing, twice you've dodged it. We should have them because we've had them for 60+ years, but have shown proper restraint in their use. It is part of the show of strength I alluded to. Military might provides leverage for diplomacy. Please don't tell me you are advocating our nuclear disarmement. If so, you belong in the Kucinich camp, not Paul's. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Should an Islamic fundamentalist state have them? Duhhh... no. They would use them in a heartbeat, starting with Israel, our only democratic ally in the region. But then, if we could only get rid of the CIA, we can stick our heads in the sand and let it happen. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif



Not to offend anybody but Dawg OWNS this thread!
 
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