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To be honest i dont really care WHO has nukes (so a fundamentalist islamic state cant have them, but is it safe for a nation whos president says GOD speaks to him have them?). Well paul has to do that so he can actually be heard, he has to do that so maybe he could spark intrest in mindless drones like yourself(which obviously dont care to much about your own freedoms or liberties). To see what america is RIGHT NOW, just look at my sig, it is the EXACT OPPISITE of the way people think. By the way, screw israel, they can take care of themselves. If we got rid of the CIA we wouldnt be involved in political coup's...or set them up.
 
The problem with this Patriot act is very shortly we might have hillery sitting in the whitehouse.And guess who will be the enemy of america when she takes office..same as when Bill was in office,Heterosexual,white christan male's with firearms..And they will have a Tons of new laws to use on us "domestic terrorist" allways remember every law they pass is another freedom we don't have.Ron Paul isn't perfect
but he's about the best one running.Rudy sure isn't getting my vote.I have'nt heard much of Fred Thompson is he still in the race?
 
Point taken Yotesack. Hillary didn't need the Patriot Act to spy on thousands of political enemies. Remember Filegate? The Patriot Act is a tool, pure and simple. In the wrong hands (Hillary's) it can be used for evil. The same could be said for a golf club, the internet, or a gun. Bush has used it as intended, and it has worked to protect our country. It is of grave importance that Her Thighness not be placed in a position to use it. JWP, let's discuss what we've learned about you in this thread.

1) The U.S. is an imperialistic, warmongering bully.

2) Only ignorant, mindless drones watch FOX News.

3) We should leave Iraq immediately, no questions asked.

4) It's OK for Iran (Iran!) to have nukes if we do.

5) We can negotiate with terrorists.

6) Items 3,4,and 5 DON'T project weakness on the part of the U.S.

7) The CIA exists to destroy the Constitution, not gather sensitive information on people who want to kill us.

8) The Patriot Act exists for the same reason.

9) Bill Moyers is an objective "journalist".

10) Bush can't be trusted, because he claims to be directed of his God.

11) The only way to be a true patriot is through dissent.

12) The Israelis, our only true friend in the Middle East, can screw themselves.

13) When utterly dismembered in spirited debate and lacking intelligent responses you resort to name calling.

When looking at these 13 items in totality, I can't help but detect the strong, yet disgusting odor of a libtroll. This is the majority of the talking points used on the "progressive" blogs like the Democratic Underground and Daily Kos. (They both hate Hillary by the way.)
 
1. Yes
2. No, thats only if you believe everything thats broadcasted.
3. Yes
4. Sure, why not.
5. We wouldnt have to negotiate with terrorist if we kept to ourselves in the first place (guessed you missed that part)
6.No they dont. They show that U.S. is willing to be peaceful with other nations (people wonder why china is building up thier military...probably cause they think they are next on the list..)
7.I would say they gather more info on people WE want to kill. I dont think the government should be secrative..(so does the constitusion)
8. Well, the Patriot Act is in place for the U.S. to spy on its own citizens.
9. I couldnt tell you...dont really pay attention to his stuff.
10. You are [beeep] right, there is a word that describes people like that...SCHIZOPHRENIC!
11.No, the only way to be a true patriot is not through conformity and a BLIND desire for something.
12.Yes, they have great military, and can take care of themselves.
13.Well, i am SMALL MINDED according to you so i guess so.

I AM NOT a liberal. I do not believe in welfare, govt. healthcare, SSC, Medicaid, Medicare, NAU, NAFTA, CFR, U.N. I DO believe in less government control, MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, Freedom & Liberty and that the United States of America once was and still can be the greatest nation in the world. We as a nation have lost our way, its time for somebody to get us back on track. That is what i believe.
 
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Oh, so his supporters can use the "centralized mainstream media", but he wouldn't. Yet, I recently saw him on Fox News, the channel you seem to despise? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Twice now I've asked why a nuclear Iran is a positive thing, twice you've dodged it. We should have them because we've had them for 60+ years, but have shown proper restraint in their use. It is part of the show of strength I alluded to. Military might provides leverage for diplomacy. Please don't tell me you are advocating our nuclear disarmement. If so, you belong in the Kucinich camp, not Paul's. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Should an Islamic fundamentalist state have them? Duhhh... no. They would use them in a heartbeat, starting with Israel, our only democratic ally in the region. But then, if we could only get rid of the CIA, we can stick our heads in the sand and let it happen. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif



Not to offend anybody but Dawg OWNS this thread!



Amen!!
If you guys think that by sticking your heads in the sand will have muzzies seek to live in peace with us, you are dreaming. The muzzies are after world domination, and nothing less. And, they will do it by force, not by peace.
Dawg is right on. Appeasement sucks.

Martyn
 
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jwp,

If you think allowing lunatics to have nukes is a good thing, then you are totally missing the point that they should not be allowed to have them. The lunatics are hell bent on using them against us, while we are not bent on using them irresponsible. The issue here is responsibility. Iran is NOT responsible. This is like giving the keys to your new Corvette along with a case of beer to an irresponsible 16 year old.
 
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I am not saying it is good or bad, what i am saying is..it isnt our place to decide who has them or not.
 
"people wonder why china is building up thier military...probably cause they think they are next on the list.."


OK jwp, that one made coffee come out my nose. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif China is building up their military because they want to be a superpower also. They wish to dominate the region and eventually the world. That's what Communists do. They are smart enough to use capitalism to finance their military buildup, while simultaneously strangling the U.S. economically. The Russians have also caught on to this, and will use capitalism for their military expenditures. Why do you seem to always give our enemies the benefit of the doubt, but our motives are nothing but evil? You have premised your arguments on "we should have done this" or "we shouldn't have done that". That's in the past and we can't change it. I should have bought Wal-Mart and Microsoft stock 25 years ago, but didn't. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Mr. Rogers' neighborhood isn't global. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
Ok, so china just wants to do what we are doing. Got it. Why do they automatically have to be our enemies? We seem to borrow quite a bit of money from china to finace our "terror war".
 
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Ok, so china just wants to do what we are doing. Got it. Why do they automatically have to be our enemies? We seem to borrow quite a bit of money from china to finace our "terror war".



Wow, this is getting tiresome. A dog poops. A cat poops. How does that make a dog and a cat the same thing? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif You stepped in it again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
If we don't draw the line on who gets nuclear weapons, who will. The other countries involved are all getting rich off the sale of this technology to Iran and so have no interest in stopping their involvement. If I heard that my neighbor was about to give matches to the local arsonist, who by the way had threatened to burn down my house, I would do everything in my power to stop the exchange, and I bet so would you. Iran is already a supplier of weapons to Hamas, and several other Islamist terrorist groups, not to mention the insurgent's our military is fighting in Iraq at this moment. "Why do they have to be our enemies?" Past history comes to mind, that and the way they feel, treat and behave with their neighbors and the non Chinese people living within their own borders, their complicity in both Korea and Viet Nam the list is almost endless. They shoot their own citizens on a regular basis and they have stated more than once a complete and utter loathing for the west and it's culture, our military protection of Taiwan, take your pick. Turning the other cheek is fine in theory, until the other guy picks up a 2x4.
 
Sure, allowing the Chinese to finance some of our debt is stupidity, but our debt is much more than the "terror war." But, now you're changing the subject. You compared our motives to those of China. Please name for us one instance where China would like to see freedom spread? Other than capitalism and military might, are there any real comparisons between the two? I'm done here, unless you can find something reasonably intelligent to post.
 
Oh please, if you believe we went into iraq or anywhere else since WWII to see freedom spread you must be smoking something.
 
Dawg;

I always enjoy reading your posts on here, they are backed with facts and colored with wit. Two bits of wisdon I would like to share with you:

1. You can always tell a liberal, you just can't tell them much.
2. Something my dad told me years ago:
NEVER engage in a battle of wit with an unarmed person.

Liberals are indeed hopeless. Has something to do with their suffering from Cranial Rectumitis.
 
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you are a lost cause...go ahead and vote this country into WWIII and socialism.



Yeah, that's me- Dawg the Socialist /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Just 'cause I live in a socialist state doesn't make me one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif



Go west young man...just a few miles, till you get to Thomas at least. Then you will be home. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif

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He is absolutely right too. He said everything that I would have said only better.

I think that if people want to be members of the GOP then they should act like it instead of being RINOs.

So far Freddy is the only one that stands a snowballs chance at being elected, and I think he is a smidgen too liberal for me.
 
Dang, I get too busy to post much anymore and the trolls start comin' in! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif But Dawg, you DO own this thread!!

I can agree on a couple points-mainly about us losing our rights and the New World Order. Those two things are real and will gain momentum. But that's pretty much where it ends!

I say, if Iran wants nukes..let 'em have 'em! I'm sure we have a few we can drop on 'em. While we're at it, I think we need to go ahead and declare Iraq a COLONY and start the oil wells pumping. AN AR-15 IN ONE HAND, DRILLBIT COLLAR IN THE OTHER!

So Ron Paul wants to pull out of Iraq now? No wonder I've never paid much attention to him! That shortsightedness will lead to the terrorists coming HERE to kill Americans. Yep...they'll come HERE to KILL Americans. The thing most liberals (and trolls especially) don't understand is that these people are not fighting a defensive war against the big, bad, greedy Americans..they want to kill us, and ALL 'westerners'. This battle has been off and on throughout modern history. The difference is that we now have the military camped out in THIER BACKYARD, instead of us being sitting ducks waiting for the next 9-11. WAIT A MINUTE-do trolls and liberals still think we flew planes into our own towers? Face it, the Muslims want to take over the world, have never made any bones about it, and neither has the Koran when it says to convert or kill. All you have to do is take a look at what's happening in England right now for a good example of a much more subtle, yet still a repeat of the history of the muslims trying to take over Europe.

So the next thing I think...BRING BACK THE CRUSADES! Do trolls and liberals know why the crusades really happened? Probably not. They can't fathom that anybody that opposes American/Western ideals NOW might have ALWAYS BEEN trying to undermine, subvert, and use force when and where they thought they might win. Nope. Complete lack of understanding world history, human nature, AND the fact that EVIL and GOOD both are very real and the battle between the two WILL continue till GOD ends that battle ONCE AND FOR ALL. Unfortunately, there are those who are easily decieved...TROLLS AND LIBERALS!
 
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I say, if Iran wants nukes..let 'em have 'em! I'm sure we have a few we can drop on 'em. While we're at it, I think we need to go ahead and declare Iraq a COLONY and start the oil wells pumping. AN AR-15 IN ONE HAND, DRILLBIT COLLAR IN THE OTHER!


So how many people do you want to rob and kill to keep gas in your tank? Where do you plan on stopping? After you kill a clerk robbing a gas station?

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So the next thing I think...BRING BACK THE CRUSADES! Do trolls and liberals know why the crusades really happened? Probably not.



I don’t know whether the Trolls and liberals understand the crusades or not but I don’t think you have a clue about them. The crusades were a result of the Catholic Church trying to control all Christians. They killed, raped and looted their way across Europe before they ever set foot in the Middle East. Several of the crusades were fought entirely in Europe without any Muslims involved. There was 600 years of bloodshed in which many Christians were murdered solely because they weren’t Catholic and you want to bring that back?
 
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