If far-right wingers keep taking a blind stance and backing everything their team does just because it’s not Democrats, it ends up pushing moderates to vote blue. And the irony is, that’s the same side that talks about banning fracking.
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Sorry I can’t find a meme that sums up all the crap I just vented and takes a swing at the left in the process...
Restarting a few refineries and fixing storage caverns doesn’t suddenly mean the Middle East quits mattering in the oil market. American oil helps, sure, but people talk like we flipped a switch and became untouchable overnight. That’s not how any of this works. That’s like adding an extra freezer in your garage and thinking you’re now immune to grocery prices.
Interesting that Iran claims to be Persian as originally Persia was just the arid/mountainous area next to 'Persian' gulf.
The Xerxes (Parthian) conquered the entire area.
The Xerxes (Parthian) conquered the entire area.
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That’s also an important distinction people keep blurring together.
We are not supposed to be “fighting Persians” or threatening an entire civilization. The issue is the IRGC and the regime apparatus behind it—not the Iranian people, Persian history, or an entire ethnic identity stretching back thousands of years. For God’s sake we told the Iranians “help is on the way” as the regime killed them by the 10s of thousands.
That’s why rhetoric like “an entire civilization would die” crosses a line. It casts way too wide of a net and starts sounding less like targeting a hostile regime and more a genocide.
One of the things that is supposed to separate professional militaries from the groups we condemn is the attempt—however imperfect—to distinguish between combatants and civilian populations.
Otherwise, you stop sounding like the “good guys” and start sounding like every regime in history that justified anything because they believed they were righteous enough to do it. Or we could just “kill them all, let God sort them out”, but history tends to remember those distinctions.
It’s almost like Iran is trolling Trump, knowing how locked in the whole “green new deal vs drill baby drill” debate is, so they say: “We’re not charging a toll to pass through the Strait… It’s an environmental fee.”
Yeah, because the IRGC is clearly just out there doing their part for the planet, lol.
And of course—“the first casualty of war is the truth.” This one just moves at internet speed now, where half of it is outdated or twisted before it even finishes loading...
Yeah, because the IRGC is clearly just out there doing their part for the planet, lol.
And of course—“the first casualty of war is the truth.” This one just moves at internet speed now, where half of it is outdated or twisted before it even finishes loading...
You sure you're not really a lefty from NY City wearing a mask waiting in line for their 10th booster shot while watching an MSNOW podcast ?
I have lefty friends who voted for a socialist mayor that are more optimistic than you are and that's really saying something.
SJC
Widow maker 223
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Its not optimism its reality. None of this is going away overnight. I buy a lot of tungsten carbide chips, the scrap its made from comes from china. It went from $22/lb 2 months ago to 55/lb now its at $115/lb. that cost will be transferred to fertilizer, dog food, cosmetics, big pharma etc and anything else tied to rendering, which is a ton of shit.
Typical. When someone cannot defend the bullshit they are saying, they resort to ad hominems instead.
I am about as far from a leftist socialist as you can get. I just do not blindly swallow every narrative pushed to me because it has a conservative label slapped on it.
Pick one thing I said and debunk it like I did with the nonsensical bullshit you were spewing. So far all you have done is dodge the argument and throw playground insults.
Sgt_Mike
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Tungsten is tied to dog food?
not nick picking just never thought it was tied to that... Oil I can see as it is tied to everything we use as a civilization
Widow maker 223
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its used in the machines that process animal by products that go into dog food. Like everything shit rolls down hill. Its also tied to animal feed, chicken etc, even the little gel caps like Dayquil. those are made from gelatin which comes from cow bones and pig hides. Many soccer moms would loose it if they knew where things originate from.
Sgt_Mike
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The worst part is somehow it is a great idea to bring on line a bunch of Data centers for AI. Did I miss somewhere where a bunch of nuclear power plants are being built?? surely they can't be powered by wind or solar, as we have been told it's not fully viable.
That leaves coal or oil, to power the grid for the data centers, increasing what all are complaining about the cost of crude barrels.
Meanwhile Henry Repeating Arms and Exxon leave N.J relocate to Texas ...
wow I never made the connection, but yeah everything manufactured make sense to my addled brain firing on 1 cylinder vs 8 . And again because we as a nation under a former POTUS (s) stepped away from manufacturing on the scale we once enjoyed. Now sadly we don't (probably more accurately can't ) even tap into the tungsten reserves we have on this continent within our own borders.
No doubt.
A lot of people are so politically tribal that when their side gets caught screwing up, they cannot handle it. Instead of admitting it, they repeat talking points they were fed or invent some “5D chess” explanation for why the obvious failure is actually genius.
And when that still does not work, they accuse anyone pointing it out of being on the other side.
That is how you know someone is defending a tribe instead of defending the truth.
But sorry I interrupted the right-wing echo chamber. Let me correct myself:
“Trump is playing 9D chess. Iran is defeated. The whole world will submit to American energy dominance. Europe is grateful. The economy is booming. Everything is under control. Trust the plan.”
There. Back to the approved programming.
And when that still does not work, they accuse anyone pointing it out of being on the other side.
That is how you know someone is defending a tribe instead of defending the truth.
But sorry I interrupted the right-wing echo chamber. Let me correct myself:
“Trump is playing 9D chess. Iran is defeated. The whole world will submit to American energy dominance. Europe is grateful. The economy is booming. Everything is under control. Trust the plan.”
There. Back to the approved programming.
Widow maker 223
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The U.S. is actually opening up an old tungsten mine next year. Our grid is in shambles, if it goes down AI does too.
"we as a nation under a former POTUS (s) stepped away from manufacturing" We've been moving away from making stuff here for a long time. Even before NAFTA. Steel mills stopped making low grade, just stuck with high profit stuff. Electronics went too. Lots of 'designed' in the USA vs Made in USA - meaning they spec it in the US. Canadian 'white wood' (junk wood) for many years to make our houses. How much of your auto is made someplace else and assembled in USA?
762, I use to read the “Painful Truth” section once in awhile. Since your comments started on here, it has become a daily read for me. I don’t agree with all your statements but they have made me think about some of my own thoughts and opinions. Some have changed and some are still the same. Pass by the non important remarks that some have made and continue to contribute. I will continue to read your well written thoughts and see if I need to change some of mine.
Sgt_Mike
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You made my hidden point @Widow maker 223 ... what is mostly ailing us is / was the "Globalisim" ,and " New World Order" of the past (these two was the nail in the coffin, it actually goes further back). Which in my opinion seems to be written by the same author, just spun to represent differing factions or tribes as Jeremy like to accurately use the term. It wasn't one tribe it was all the tribes.
The Henry and Exxon part was using the pretext that NJ drove those two, and well as others abroad by policies, taxes, and legal litigation. The same as the Federal Government has done with the manufacturing base since POTUS Reagan left office. This decline is not sudden, it has been done for almost a century, almost as if planned. It is all a cog in the wheel. We have continually allowing more and more other nation to provide that cog to drive our wheel, hopefully everyone understands exactly what I'm referring to. It's not "Just" manufacturing, it's not Just Oil, it's not Just mineral ore, or the smelting / processing of ore. Luckily we still have a Oil production.
While many will go ohhh it's "sweet" oil, the question is if "sweet" oil is so inferior. Why the heck do we still pump out of the ground? Why does the rest of the world still buy our export of a poor excuse of a oil?
Why does Jeremy argument keep coming back to Oil??? Simple it's in everything we touch. My statement of domestic oil is not to discount Jeremy statement rather honestly coincide with them. Personally I'm glad that cog hasn't been passed off.
I've heard Jeremy say words responding to when someone states the other choice was worse. He brings up a good point, that is mooted by the simple fact is for pretty much ANY political office it's only the big two that wins R or D. The other choices just never win, my point is when was the last time a independent won the White House? Currently there are 2 Senators, which one of the two is usually tied to the Socialist party & even lumped in with the Democrat's. And only 1 Representative. Yeah it does just boil down to yeahh the other guy was worse or perceived to be. I'll use a statement that should ring true with Jeremy , "we go to war with what we have, not what we wish we had" I'm certain he was told or heard that when deploying. Is the current POTUS exactly living up to my expectations versus his first term? No he is not, would his Democratic opponent do a better job with this? Rhetorical question there. Is that a defensive statement for the current POTUS? No it's not, not by any means. It merely coincides with "it is , what it is". ( I despise that statement)
Would my President have been better off not changing the goal post? Better off defining as clear end objective? Again rhetorical questions. In this instance he merely followed Woodrow Wilson's path with the intervention of Russia during WWI. No clear end statement. Sometimes it just simply better to give the bitter pill, instead of sugar coating it. The only thing that I can say that is a defining statement is no nuke for Iran. On that yeah he did set them back but didn't say the quiet part out load which is in order to do that requires a regime change. I can't help it if no one else ties the two together, nor can my President. Should he have been more clear, certainly in my book he should have.
The good guy statement is in my opinion just B.S, we aren't the good guys when we turn lose the military period. War is meant to be brutal. Look at History, and for the Life of me I don't understand why when we whip someone arse ( can I say arse on here?) we don't simply keep the country especially in a unconditional surrender ? Annex that place. The world has worked that way since Adam's children populated the world.
Since I started typing this as I'm slow, often have to look up words for misspellings, or re-check what I think is a fact is actually a fact. And look to see what is simply mistyped. (which means several edits after posting, usually as I'll re-read it) So yeah when I started this there has been what ? 4 postings.
Thank everyone for allowing me to post my thoughts, and reading them hopefully.
The Henry and Exxon part was using the pretext that NJ drove those two, and well as others abroad by policies, taxes, and legal litigation. The same as the Federal Government has done with the manufacturing base since POTUS Reagan left office. This decline is not sudden, it has been done for almost a century, almost as if planned. It is all a cog in the wheel. We have continually allowing more and more other nation to provide that cog to drive our wheel, hopefully everyone understands exactly what I'm referring to. It's not "Just" manufacturing, it's not Just Oil, it's not Just mineral ore, or the smelting / processing of ore. Luckily we still have a Oil production.
While many will go ohhh it's "sweet" oil, the question is if "sweet" oil is so inferior. Why the heck do we still pump out of the ground? Why does the rest of the world still buy our export of a poor excuse of a oil?
Why does Jeremy argument keep coming back to Oil??? Simple it's in everything we touch. My statement of domestic oil is not to discount Jeremy statement rather honestly coincide with them. Personally I'm glad that cog hasn't been passed off.
I've heard Jeremy say words responding to when someone states the other choice was worse. He brings up a good point, that is mooted by the simple fact is for pretty much ANY political office it's only the big two that wins R or D. The other choices just never win, my point is when was the last time a independent won the White House? Currently there are 2 Senators, which one of the two is usually tied to the Socialist party & even lumped in with the Democrat's. And only 1 Representative. Yeah it does just boil down to yeahh the other guy was worse or perceived to be. I'll use a statement that should ring true with Jeremy , "we go to war with what we have, not what we wish we had" I'm certain he was told or heard that when deploying. Is the current POTUS exactly living up to my expectations versus his first term? No he is not, would his Democratic opponent do a better job with this? Rhetorical question there. Is that a defensive statement for the current POTUS? No it's not, not by any means. It merely coincides with "it is , what it is". ( I despise that statement)
Would my President have been better off not changing the goal post? Better off defining as clear end objective? Again rhetorical questions. In this instance he merely followed Woodrow Wilson's path with the intervention of Russia during WWI. No clear end statement. Sometimes it just simply better to give the bitter pill, instead of sugar coating it. The only thing that I can say that is a defining statement is no nuke for Iran. On that yeah he did set them back but didn't say the quiet part out load which is in order to do that requires a regime change. I can't help it if no one else ties the two together, nor can my President. Should he have been more clear, certainly in my book he should have.
The good guy statement is in my opinion just B.S, we aren't the good guys when we turn lose the military period. War is meant to be brutal. Look at History, and for the Life of me I don't understand why when we whip someone arse ( can I say arse on here?) we don't simply keep the country especially in a unconditional surrender ? Annex that place. The world has worked that way since Adam's children populated the world.
I'll have to echo that statement. Keep up the good work Jeremy, I too enjoy your thoughts even the ones that I disagree with and ones I simply reject.
Since I started typing this as I'm slow, often have to look up words for misspellings, or re-check what I think is a fact is actually a fact. And look to see what is simply mistyped. (which means several edits after posting, usually as I'll re-read it) So yeah when I started this there has been what ? 4 postings.
Thank everyone for allowing me to post my thoughts, and reading them hopefully.
You don't like Trump, I get it, but like all of the liberals out there, you seem to be focusing on the negatives, then getting very defensive, combative and generalize others when their views expressed don't mimic yours.
Please turn the negative news off and then turn that frown upside down before it stays permanent and you dye your hair blue.
Gotta go, as I need to clean up the Kool aid thats dripping on the floor.
SJC