What you don’t know about ADC

My only thought here is, did he actually know the ADC work was going on ( did I miss this in the thread? ), if a farmer/rancher calls me to HIS property to kill a problem coyote(s) then I would think that he has not contacted a ADC agent yet, why would he ask a hobby caller to come when he is paying someone /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif. My point is I don't think a ADC operation would even cross my mind at that point. Just my thoughts.

Later,

Scott
 
I think we may be comparing apples and oranges? Depredation in the West IS different from depredation in the East... We do not have the numbers per square mile that some of the western states have. There for, if you kill the coyotes that you see ... you will increase your chances of having more game animals and less of a chance of the livestock predation issue. I have watched this happen over the past ten years here in the mid south. Coyotes started on rabbit and quail, when their numbers started to decrease the coyotes went to turkey and dear. Will I set by and let their numbers decrease? Nope.

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Coyotes are opportunistic predators and will, given the opportunity prey on livestock. Dead ones don't.



This is a quote we all need to remember... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
LOL! Crapshoot,

Seriously, what say you?
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My opinion, is [yes]. A wild coyote will kill before starving, even sheep it's never tasted. [Point being] just because, you kill [all] of the local sheep killers. Doesn't mean you've solved the problem 100%, IMO.
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A coyote who's hunger pains push them to their limits. Will kill/eat whatever it can. To keep from starving.
 
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LOL! Crapshoot,

Seriously, what say you?
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My opinion, is [yes]. A wild coyote will kill before starving, even sheep it's never tasted. [Point being] just because, you kill [all] of the local sheep killers. Doesn't mean you've solved the problem 100%, IMO.
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A coyote who's hunger pains push them to their limits. Will kill/eat whatever it can. To keep from starving.



Lets rephrase the question. Lets lock you in a room with a 2000 lb bull and a double quarter pounder with cheese. Which would you try to eat? Of course, the DQP because it is easier and already prepared. Im sure coyotes are the same way. What ever will provide the most gain with the least amount of energy and risk. Of course if it comes to kill a lamb or die of starvation, the coyote would kill and eat the lamb. But there are other choices in the real world (which is what I was pointing out). But I do get your point.
 
but the bull will make 4000 DQP's of course he will have to get the COW for the cheese,,,IVE BEEN TOLD that bulls "milk"
doesn't make very good cheese,,if the amish wont use it IT'S NOT GOOD!!!
Bob
 
i try to seriusly drop the population during the winter and when i find coyotes in the numbers that i was finding out there groups of 6 to 8 i tell the rancher to bring in the air srtikes i can consistently get two out of groups but every time the last 6 get away i have to come up with a new sound and a new angle to call from. i can do this repetedly and take them all out over the winter but it is not cost effective to me i'll go out 3 times scouting and plotting the demize of them one two and three at a time.
i end up missing one of them i'm in trouble i'll have him giving warning barks in the back ground to me the most importent thing when hunting like i do is "if its not going to kill the coyote don't shoot" i know what i can handle and when to get the pro's in.
i know every denning area on the ranch by watching them during breeding and after they pair up and start setting up the den sight once the female has been pregnet for one month i stop calling {its grose when you shoot one and the pups move inside them}.the fur is no good they are almost done calfing and the coyotes are usually no longer in the big packs.
when the coyotes stop hunting as big of cercle as they were its time to stop.
that is what i do every year but when a rancher calls yes i'll go
the den is next years easy sets and unless the adalts are causing problems i don't need to go after it.
what i know about the adc is that the county guys are the ones i like. the federal guys are not.its not them personaly its the people setting thair agenda. usfws is in the bunny huggers pockit and are anti hunting anti multipul use of federal lands.good thing we have the state lands board and the blm managers from wyoming or we wouldn't even have a voice in our state and the wyoming game and fish in our corner too.also thank you governer dave stand firm with your wolf plan.
 
Old bull or young? Crapshoot

If young, I wouldn't even bother talking to him & eat the burger.

If old, then I'd open the gate, so's we both could "walk" down the hill. To those lovely awaiting heifer's /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
 
No doubt the predator control people put in their time, for rancher's.
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Who came up with the titles "hobby" or "recreational" hunters anyway? LOL! I look @ all coyote hunters, as hunters. Regardless, of whether they get paid, or do it on their off time. Last I knew, killin was killin /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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BTW, Whats the difference between a "professional" or "volunteer" firefighter....I'll tell ya, NOTHING! Their both firefighters & have/take the same risks. One gets paid a living the other doesn't. Still firefighters, that live or die doing their job.

When the words like, "expert", "professional", blah, blah, blah are used. Makes me smile, who ya kidding.

I'm a full-time paid-firefighter. No better, than a volunteer firefighter.
 
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Whats the difference between a "professional" or "volunteer" firefighter



Trick question. No difference (in ability), because both have undergone specialized training.

Better question. What's the difference between a trained firefighter and a cashier at Wal-Mart? Which would you call if your house was on fire?
 
Hmmmm, I'd call the Comm-Center. Then I'd call Walmart to see if they have any .243WSSM 95gr[Hog]Winchester SBT's in stock /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

Well, would that coyote eat that sheep or starve to death? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Im sure coyotes are the same way. What ever will provide the most gain with the least amount of energy and risk.



That's generally true of any animal, predator or not. From personal observation (not a scientific study), coyote/sheep seem to be a glaring exception to that rule.

On a friend of mine's farm, in a year when there was an infestation of rabbits and ground squirrels (easy food), I saw coyotes come into a flock of lambs when dogs and people with guns were there. Not guys in camo "hiding" and watching the wind setup, an active guard, always there, who regularly shot or shot at coyotes trying to get into the lambs. Still they came.

Not "normal" coyote behavior by any means, and leads me to the conclusion:
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When a coyote will sneak into a flock knowing that people are right there, rather than take the "easy" meal that's running all over the place, my only conclusion is that he must think that mutton and lamb is pretty good stuff.



Since there were a number of coyotes killed over the summer while either in the flock or stalking it, I also have to conclude that it's not just the "odd man (coyote) out" that will try to kill them, nor just a temporary opportunist. Yeah, all that is generally true, but there seems to be something about sheep in particular that coyotes like enough to make them go against normal behavior.

The next year Ed got a donkey and kept his lambs (and donkey) fenced. That seemed to be much more effective at keeping the coyotes away, leading me to the embarrassing conclusion that I'm not as good at predator control as a jackass.
 

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Better question. What's the difference between a trained firefighter and a cashier at Wal-Mart? Which would you call if your house was on fire?


If the cashier was a volunteer firefighter and I lived in a community with a volunteer fire department I guess I would call him/her. If I lived in a community with a population large enough for a "pro" fire department I would probably be in the nut house /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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If the cashier was a volunteer firefighter and I lived in a community with a volunteer fire department I guess I would call him/her.


You beat me to the obvious!
Byron, thanks for your input. I always enjoy your perspective.
 
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif I knew I should have put a "non-firefighting" cashier disclaimer in there!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
yeah and I figured it would have been there too.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
You guys keep me on my toes. That's hard work for an old geezer, lol. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I've tried to stay out of this mess but tell me where you it says you have to be trained in your proffession and not in your hobby.

In Oklahoma we have fulltime proffessional ADC men who I believe are paid by the state and supplied a truck, 4 wheeler, helicopter and any other supplies they need. One thing they are required to do is post signs on property they are working and if they are doing a fly-by they call the landowners to get permission. So no doubt you know when one is working the area.

While denning must be a very different and specialized tecnique, generaly when they're just trapping or otherwise working a place, they don't care if I go in and hunt. Maybe they think I don't know what I'm doing and can't hurt the place or I do know a little bit and won't hurt their operation. I do know that one of them won't use a call much because in his words most everybody has already educated them. But again this denning process is a totally different approach, I just can't see how shooting from a helicopter and another guy killing one on the ground are different. Yes, I know little about ADC, very little.
 
As a FED ADC person I wanted to say thanks for shedding a positive light on our program. Usually all we get is negative feedback. Although most of my work is around airports I have had the chance to work with some of our trappers. The aerial gunning is an effective tool in some circumstances, but it is not a cure all neither are traps and m44's. We like to have every tool that we can get at our disposal so that if one doesn't work another might. Another aspect of the aerial gunnng is that the plane or helicopter does not work alone. We always have a ground crew that is tracking the coyotes on the ground, and the aircraft can only do low approaches and search for animals on land that we have a contract with. If you have more interest in how we do things I would encourage you to try and get to know the ADC person in your area.
 


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