Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGOriginally Posted By: 243kimber
What type of groups are you getting at 3 or 400 yards?? Looks good!
I don't own one, just seen pics of these types of rigs being used on the web. I think orkin(?) or maybe Skinny uses something similar in one of his predator videos. One such video was posted recently. Looks very stable to me, but not my style.
THIS THREAD has a pic of orkin's tripod setup. Ask him.
I'm able to hold groups of around 1" at 300yds with that rifle on my tripod. I'm using RRS 23 legs, BH-40, and direct attach in that setup. I've taken several coyotes inside 800yds with it, while sitting. If they are willing to come running up to 30yds... I let them. Yet with all the hunting pressure coyotes see these days... coyotes are getting smarter all the time. More call shy. More alert. There just aren't as many charging in as there were 20 years ago. Now they tend to be cautious and hang up out there at 200-600yds frequently. 20 years ago I didn't have the hardware or the knowledge to make a shot like that. These days, I don't mind at all if they grab a seat at 600-800. I'll call at them for a bit when they do that, but I won't give them too long to think about it before they catch lead right where they sit.
Originally Posted By: AWSSo where is the line between junk and un-junk, is it a dollar figure, if your gun cost over $2000. your will kill more coyotes than someone with a $400. gun. An accuracy figure, if your gun shoots .3" you will kill more coyotes than a person that can only get .75" This logic is employed by many, but it is faulty. This kind of logic divides us. The people that have cheap rifles that make fun of the guys getting the best and latest kit, is stupid, and divides us. The people that have expensive rifles and the latest kit, making fun of the guys that don't, is stupid and divides us.
The correct logic is to embrace YOUR desired method and respect others desired methods. The problem comes when someone from either camp lacks experience and starts talking about what other people need/don't need. It's all very simple if people adhere to the TRUTH of things instead of trying to convince everyone that what THEY are doing is the only way. While it follows that it may be the only way, they need to be able to demonstrate with solid proof how those opinions were reached. < That last part is what never seems to happen.
The line between junk and "un-junk" is situational as well as personal. I have a BSA Martini MkIII with Unertl 16X Programmer atop it. Compared to my custom repeater 40X with S&B atop it... the martini can be considered junk if we ask too much of it. For shooting paper at fixed distances, that martini is incredible. Yet adjusting the parallax on that Unertl is extremely taxing for shots that present themselves closer, or farther than the set distance. So there, the S&B crushes it. So you see, certain equipment simply works better than others if the requirements change.
I enjoy the finer things. I like my experience to be as refined as possible. ... with everything, really. I ask a lot of my equipment. I put greater demands on it than most. I understand that I can not expect it to perform the tasks I've asked unless I've selected the gear that gives the greatest probability of working correctly. That gear costs money. It's what I have a savings account for. I don't expect everyone to do things as I'm doing things. If folks want to take a lever action 30/30 with iron sights coyote calling, that's their prerogative. Though if they think they are going to bring that same kit out here to the wide open spaces where I hunt and bag as many coyotes as me... they'll likely find themselves disappointed. I'll kill 3-6 to their one. This is just a very simple thing to grasp. When you have equipment and skillset up to the task of killing coyotes to 800 or 1000yds, you have more opportunities here. If I were to go elsewhere in the country where you can't even SEE more than 50-60yds... I darn sure would be carrying different gear! As it is, I go afield with over $15,000 of hardware on my person. Not because I like spending money, but because I like hunting. I like being able to put bullets EXACTLY where I want at great distances... and this is what I need to be able to do it to my liking. I've had a lot of lesser gear, and it wasn't up to the task. ... or at least not as well as my current choices are!