Where to go to view the ultimate walking coyote sniping rifle?

A $100 rifle and $1000 of ammo will do better than a $10,000 rifle and no trigger time. And looking for custom to your wants build but already in somebody else's hands is going be be a long search.

My longest shots to date, 640 yards with a 30-06 ruger from walmart,completely stock except a bipod. And 400+, 25-06 savage edge, $209 brand new. $0.10 trigger mod and same bipod. 1 shot, 1 animal down. Lots of loud time before those shots though.


You can spend exactly as much as you want, but you can't blame performance on not spending enough. Unless you're talking time.
 
Buy the best you can afford, the lightest or heaviest you care to pack.

The ugliest or prettiest whatever you care to scratch up.

Get out and shoot, and get out and hunt.

I'm saying this in a good way, Myself I tend to over think

things and it gets in the way of fun times out there shooting
 
Here's a solution to your question. Hook up with Orkan. He builds some bad azz rifles. He also offers courses in long range shooting. Not cheap but will take care of your needs. Hope Orkan doesn't mind me recommending him.
 
Originally Posted By: SmokelessOriginally Posted By: 243kimber I am possibly in the position to build a coyote rifle for sniping from a tripod, walking in no farther that 1 or 2 miles, round trip from the truck. I am wanting an adjustable butt plate, possible adjustable cheek riser, beavertail forearm, light, 26 inch barrel, in a 6mm type cartridge. And a 4-14 type adjustable objective, with a bipod. All of this, w/o weighing 15 lbs.
Is there a location for a person to view such a critter?? If i am going to spend my hard earned $$, i don't want the end result to be 'Oh $hit!' After all of that $$. I want to get at least close to what I am wanting so I can see the approximate balance and feel of the end result.
I have been to 2 NRA shows, and nothing even came close. And i don't know how many millions of $$ of guns that I viewed on those occasions. Not Bass Pro, Cabela's, Gander Mountain, etc.. They all might as well be on another planet to suit my coyote sniping needs.
Am I asking for the impossible? Thx.




You have been doing a lot of reading and not much doing.

You don't NEED any of those things to kill coyotes. Don't get caught up in the hype. Off the shelf stuff will get you out to 400yds. Much farther than 99% of most coyotes are taken.

Think,,,,, don't just do. This ^^^. Over the 30 years of hunting I can count the coyotes ive taken over 200 yards on one hand. And thats not because of missing.
 
If your tripod sucks, get a better one. Something like this TRIPOD is pretty sturdy paired with a this SADDLE for about $300. There are more expensive beefier models but that will likely handle a 10-12lb rifle just fine. Combine that with a good portable seat and that should be pretty solid for med/long range shots.

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An adjustable cheek rest and correct LOP do a lot to help, but a 1/2” rifle is plenty good. I’d get signed up for a long range class
 
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Originally Posted By: pyscodogHere's a solution to your question. Hook up with Orkan. He builds some bad azz rifles. He also offers courses in long range shooting. Not cheap but will take care of your needs. Hope Orkan doesn't mind me recommending him. Don't mind at all. We've got an Advanced Rifle Concepts course scheduled for may 12/13 with a few seats left available.

Originally Posted By: NdIndyA $100 rifle and $1000 of ammo will do better than a $10,000 rifle and no trigger time. All the trigger time in the world won't let you shoot a 1.5 MOA rifle to 1/2 MOA. The concept that practice can overcome bad equipment is a myth. I've had countless students show up to training with inferior gear and no matter what technique was developed, they could not perform. Yet when they swap over to another students more capable rifle, they start smashing. A truly remarkable number of guys this has happened to. They find that they are MUCH better shooters than they thought they were. They just didn't have the hardware that was up to the task.

243kimber, I have a few articles here which you may find of interest: http://www.primalrights.com/library/articles
 
I doubt that you can find just the gun you want and be able to handle it if you haven't found one on the shelf that is even close.

Hiking miles and setting up a tripod to make a shot on a coyote sounds like a lot of futzing around and packing a lot of gear to take a shot.

There used to be a guy in in MN that would tow a toboggan in deep snow and lay on the toboggan to make shots on bedded fox. I just looped the ski pole straps to make a bipod.

Building a rifle.

After looking at all the different rifles you should have a pretty good idea of what you want/need, LOP, Stock shape, weight, caliber, trigger, scope mount, etc. so you should be pretty much in a position to modify an existing rifle or have one built to your spec. with out having it in hand.

I have a few rifles I've put together that will shoot sub 1"-1 1/2" groups at 200 yards off sticks and I can't say I will do it all day long. It isn't all the rifle to be able to shoot groups like that I usually have to fire about 10 five shot groups with my 22LR target rifle, shooting at dime size targets at 100 yards, if on that day I can do that, time to break out the centerfire. It takes me that many groups to get all the control I need. Days with a lot of stress, fatigue, concentration or to much coffee all effect my shooting.

So build the rifle, it will give you confidence in it, and then get to know it. For me in the field I have a 300 yard limit, it's as far as I feel comfortable and I don't bother with calibers that are better suited for longer range because most of my shots are less than a hundred.

I've shot in 6 PM Egg shoots all with guns that were capable of winning in my hands, I've only made it past stage two twice. So it is more than the rifle.
 
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good equipment is a necessity if you expect to shoot small targets at long range. That does not mean that you have to buy a $3000 rifle and put a $1000 scope on it, it also means that buying the cheapest rifle you can find because it is a "good rifle for the money" is not a good choice either.

I never decide what rifle to buy based on cost, and even if it isn't cheap, it may not shoot well. But, in this thread it seems that the problem is the shooter, not the equipment.

I was just out shooting with a buddy and his 700 police in 308, the rifle shoots, but he cannot get consistent groups. One shot he forgot to chamber a round, the flinch would have opened a group to a couple inches, the longer he shoots, the worse he gets.
 
Originally Posted By: 6724One shot he forgot to chamber a round, the flinch would have opened a group to a couple inches, the longer he shoots, the worse he gets. Sounds like your friend needs to invest in a 40X 22lr and gain some confidence.
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Junk begets junk....this rings true whether it rifle, ammo, optics, caller, even boots and clothes...

It is very true that most coyotes can be killed with a cheap scope on a cheap rifle shooting cheap ammo.....its the ones that fall outside of that "most" category where gear and experience come into play. If you are fine with killing "most" of the coyotes you could, then have at it.
 
I like my Kimber Montana, but the chink in the amour for me is the hand grip. It places my hand, (Im a short guy), too far away from the trigger for proper placement. The Tikka T3x is a modular system that you can add a beavertail forearm and a vertical pistol grip. The vertical grip was a revelation to me. I had never experienced one before. Now I did have proper trigger finger placement! Along with the ridiculous recoil of the T3x 270, I can now see the need of a more Manners EH1 type of stock. High cheek on the top of comb, a vertical pistol grip, along with having a tripod adapter built in on the forearm. Im just trying to cover my bases when it's time for me to pull the trigger on ordering one. All of this advise and ideas are greatly appreciated!
 
I don’t understand the beaver tail forearm, long barrel, etc. Sounds like the makings of a prairie dog rifle to me. Manners EH1 is closer, EH3 or EH6 is more what I would/did do.
 
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGIf your tripod sucks, get a better one. Something like this TRIPOD is pretty sturdy paired with a this SADDLE for about $300. There are more expensive beefier options but that will likely handle a 10-12lb rifle just fine. Combine that with a good portable seat and that should be pretty solid for med/long range shots.

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What type of groups are you getting at 3 or 400 yards?? Looks good!
 
Originally Posted By: 243kimber
What type of groups are you getting at 3 or 400 yards?? Looks good!
I don't own one, just seen pics of these types of rigs being used on the web. I think orkin(?) or maybe Skinny uses something similar in one of his predator videos. One such video was posted recently. Looks very stable to me, but not my style.

THIS THREAD has a pic of orkin's tripod setup. Ask him.
 
So where is the line between junk and un-junk, is it a dollar figure, if your gun cost over $2000. your will kill more coyotes than someone with a $400. gun. An accuracy figure, if your gun shoots .3" you will kill more coyotes than a person that can only get .75". Coyotes killed/rounds fired, which is just knowing your limitations.

You shoot what you are comfortable with, and does the job you want it to do. I hunt for pelts most of the time so my main concern is bullet damage which puts most big long range calibers out of the mix. I want to find these coyotes as they do me no good if they run off so accurate shooting is important. I hunt a lot of close cover a lot wouldn't do a stand in and I hunt all over, you name it.

I don't hate coyotes and the biggest rush for me is outsmarting them so getting them as close as possible is what makes this game interesting. For me killing a coyote at 10 yards is a high, potting one across the next zip code is less of a charge than shooting a really good group.

You tell me what the perfect rifle is for me? You build it on paper for me.
 
Junk is available at all price levels, as is quality.

That being said, everyone has different ideas as to how and why they hunt. For me, I gain as much or more satisfaction poking a coyote at 400 as 40. Gear that increases my ability to shoot little things a long way away is what interests me. Neither of us are wrong, just different.
 
BUT you put out the statement that "Junk begets junk" but you can't seem to be able to define JUNK.


 
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Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGOriginally Posted By: 243kimber
What type of groups are you getting at 3 or 400 yards?? Looks good!
I don't own one, just seen pics of these types of rigs being used on the web. I think orkin(?) or maybe Skinny uses something similar in one of his predator videos. One such video was posted recently. Looks very stable to me, but not my style.

THIS THREAD has a pic of orkin's tripod setup. Ask him.

I'm able to hold groups of around 1" at 300yds with that rifle on my tripod. I'm using RRS 23 legs, BH-40, and direct attach in that setup. I've taken several coyotes inside 800yds with it, while sitting. If they are willing to come running up to 30yds... I let them. Yet with all the hunting pressure coyotes see these days... coyotes are getting smarter all the time. More call shy. More alert. There just aren't as many charging in as there were 20 years ago. Now they tend to be cautious and hang up out there at 200-600yds frequently. 20 years ago I didn't have the hardware or the knowledge to make a shot like that. These days, I don't mind at all if they grab a seat at 600-800. I'll call at them for a bit when they do that, but I won't give them too long to think about it before they catch lead right where they sit.

Originally Posted By: AWSSo where is the line between junk and un-junk, is it a dollar figure, if your gun cost over $2000. your will kill more coyotes than someone with a $400. gun. An accuracy figure, if your gun shoots .3" you will kill more coyotes than a person that can only get .75" This logic is employed by many, but it is faulty. This kind of logic divides us. The people that have cheap rifles that make fun of the guys getting the best and latest kit, is stupid, and divides us. The people that have expensive rifles and the latest kit, making fun of the guys that don't, is stupid and divides us.

The correct logic is to embrace YOUR desired method and respect others desired methods. The problem comes when someone from either camp lacks experience and starts talking about what other people need/don't need. It's all very simple if people adhere to the TRUTH of things instead of trying to convince everyone that what THEY are doing is the only way. While it follows that it may be the only way, they need to be able to demonstrate with solid proof how those opinions were reached. < That last part is what never seems to happen.

The line between junk and "un-junk" is situational as well as personal. I have a BSA Martini MkIII with Unertl 16X Programmer atop it. Compared to my custom repeater 40X with S&B atop it... the martini can be considered junk if we ask too much of it. For shooting paper at fixed distances, that martini is incredible. Yet adjusting the parallax on that Unertl is extremely taxing for shots that present themselves closer, or farther than the set distance. So there, the S&B crushes it. So you see, certain equipment simply works better than others if the requirements change.

I enjoy the finer things. I like my experience to be as refined as possible. ... with everything, really. I ask a lot of my equipment. I put greater demands on it than most. I understand that I can not expect it to perform the tasks I've asked unless I've selected the gear that gives the greatest probability of working correctly. That gear costs money. It's what I have a savings account for. I don't expect everyone to do things as I'm doing things. If folks want to take a lever action 30/30 with iron sights coyote calling, that's their prerogative. Though if they think they are going to bring that same kit out here to the wide open spaces where I hunt and bag as many coyotes as me... they'll likely find themselves disappointed. I'll kill 3-6 to their one. This is just a very simple thing to grasp. When you have equipment and skillset up to the task of killing coyotes to 800 or 1000yds, you have more opportunities here. If I were to go elsewhere in the country where you can't even SEE more than 50-60yds... I darn sure would be carrying different gear! As it is, I go afield with over $15,000 of hardware on my person. Not because I like spending money, but because I like hunting. I like being able to put bullets EXACTLY where I want at great distances... and this is what I need to be able to do it to my liking. I've had a lot of lesser gear, and it wasn't up to the task. ... or at least not as well as my current choices are!
 
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