which should i get ? .204 or 22-250?

say what u need 2 i have killed coyotes at 426 yards and i cant tell u what i shot at 525 yards i would go to jail ha ha 22-250 i have 4 of them all 26 inch bull barrrel.s
 
Wolfman, I was in a tree over that thing with my bow!

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif JK! Haha, some good shooting. Are you regisered here yet? You need to be!
 
I, too, have been trying to decide what caliber to choose for my next rifle. I have it narrowed down to a .204 or the 22-250. I know a lot of people who seem offended by new offerings from the manufacturers whether it is a new style or a new caliber. I personally welcome new options for everything I purchase.

I do not have all the years of shooting experience or reloading experience that most of you guys have. In that regard, my reply has nothing to do with which caliber is best suited for chubb. I do know this for sure ... I work part-time in a gun shop and we have one of the finest looking and feeling rifles I have seen in the new Savage Arms Model 12 Varminter Low Profile (VLS.) It has the Accu-trigger, laminated stock, a 26" fluted heavy barrel, and weighs about 10 lbs. It comes in 3 calibers .. .204, 22-250, and the .223. It is too heavy for most people for a carry rifle. We also have reloading dies in stock for those who choose the .204 caliber.

Isn't life great?
 
I suppose it is fitting that they should bring back one of the old time greats and turn it into a Brand Spankin New Caliber the "Ruger .204"!

It uses the same case as the tried and proven benchrest shooter's delight of the 60's and 70's the "Triple Deuce" so that ain't a bad thing at all I reckon.

I can only say that my knowledge of rifle barrels over the last 4 decades is not putting a gold star on the fact this little pill can be tossed out the barrel at over 4000fps. I fear the worse in that respect.......A known factor to the demise of the .264 Win mag years back! Burnt out barrels in a jiffy my friends. So buyer beware of the velocity scene your faced with using the Ruger .204!
 
The .204 is loosely based on the .222 Mag, not the Triple Deuce (which is a good bit smaller capacity).

There are some pretty cool .20 caliber cartridges out there based on the .222 though. Dan Clements' .20 Duster comes to mind as one of them.

I've got an even larger .20 caliber I'm using this year, a .20BR. Spitting out those 32 gr. Vmax at over 4500 fps. Going to try my best to wear out the barrel as fast as I can, shooting colony varmints with it. Tough job but somebody has to do it, right? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif .

- DAA
 
Tonk,
If you've been shooting since the mid sixties, that explains all the confusion/error. You are using that "Old" math, not the "New" math they are using these days. If you use the "New" math, you wouldn't hit squat, in fact I even think the use of the "Old" math may be illegal in some states now, so be careful to check current game laws. I was almost caught using the "Old" math while in the field last year, me being from roughly the same era as you. LOL

I am just glad this new round came out, people had started to slack off the wars regarding the 17HMR, now they have a new target, so to speak.
 
I've got it all figured out /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif If the "said" coyote is at a range of 350 yards, and is crossing, let's say from our left to our right, on the run, and we have a 30 m.p.h. cross wind, also crossing from the left to the right, aim dead on at the head, and the wind drift will do the rest. There, what was so hard about that /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Say Songbird!

I am from Missouri the SHOW ME STATE!

So how's about showing me OK........Please.

First off to prove that you have a 30 mph wind at that sight is tuff to dianose for your top hunters or anybody else, unless your from the weather channel and have the equipment there on the spot.

Fogget the wind OK! Just hit that running coyote at 350 yards with your rifle......It don't happen but one out of ten times seeing a coyote in the field, with the best of shooters scoring.
 
ALright Tonky, since you've admitted to be from the "show me state" and take it literally, let me brake my post down for ya some so you can understand it!
I've got it all figured out
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This comment with the added smiley "wink" face is in jest, meant to be said as "kidding"!
There, what was so hard about that
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And, by finishing off the statement with a couple of laughs and a "razz" face, can you now see that I was "razzing" all of you guys! Besides, it seems that some guys can't take some of what you read with a grain of salt and leave it as what it is! Heck, even you admit that a shot on a runnning coyote at 350 yards can happen one out of 10 times, so add some wind, surely it could happen. Maybe the guy just remembers seeing fur when he pulled the trigger, doesn't mean he did. But, you guys seem to feed on "proving" someone wrong!
So, lay off the coffee, you seem to be a little edgy! And pull your shorts down, they must be riding a little high /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Now folks, let's all play nice. "Can't we all just be friends" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I'll be the first to say I cannot hit a running coyote at 350 yards with my rifle. I shot a Ruger 77 Mark II Varmint (Heavy Barrel)stainless for coyotes, the furthest I have been able to hit a coyote with it was about 10 yards, just can't seem to toss it any further than that. I think if I didn't have the heavy barrel, I may be able to get another 5 yards. Some folks pull the trigger on em and shoot the bullet out the end, but I find hucking the rifle more challenging.

All foolin aside guys, any rifle that the person shooting it has faith in and knows its limits and what it can do is a good one to use. There is no perfect rifle for anything, and game will be lost with every one that is used. I am sure the new 204 will have it's followers and the 22-250 will STILL have it's followers. One thing is for sure, no matter which one your talking about, some will swear by it, and others will swear at it.
 
Songdog.....I am not edgy about anything and I was giving the benefit of the doubt to anyone who says he or she can hit that running coyote at 350 yards with the wind blowing 30mph, 1 out of 10 times. It might be done on a one in 100 basis, giving my exact feelings, like a hole in one on the golf course.

Sorry friend, I don't drink coffee, soda or alcohol! It will kill you sooner than you need to die. I like milk, juice or water thank you.

Now being from Missouri is NOT such a bad thing I reckon. We do have 2 of the top 5 Bass fishing lakes in the country. Several top boating lakes to cruise on as well. The number 2 trout fishing stream in the world, as well as the foothills to the Rocky Mountains, the Ozarks. I won't even mention the #1 Family vacation spot in the country down at Branson, Missouri. Cheap Gas! Now that will get your attention quick I betcha. The Best Turkey hunting in the USA and ranking #4 in whitetale deer. Let's not forget all that Gov't land to hunt on for FREE in Mark Twain National Forest.....that alone will make Texans take note.

Well, I could go on and on, however I must stop to go get my supper OK. I hate to miss a good home cooked meal, especially my favorite dish and Ice cream & cake too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Ice Cream and Cake, but no coke or beer? Man, thats harsh! Are they still making milk these days? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I think someone missed the argument here, if there was an argument, it wasn't about hitting running animals, it wasn't about hitting animals in the wind, it wasn't about long range shooting.... it was about the amount of lead allowed for the hypothetical shot. The lead was mathematically impossible.

An exagerated example would be that someone said they could hit a racecar traveling at 200 MPH with a baseball by leading the car two feet broadside at 100 yards. The only thing that I would argue about that situation would be the amount of lead because there are variables and skills involved in everything else. I've seen this argument on boards several times in the past and it always turns into someone saying "You're just jealous you can't shoot that good" but thats never what its about.
 
JrbHunter.......I guess someone on this forum didn't like the idea of me serving any of my Ice Cream & Cake you mentioned. Ummmmmm very interesting.

If someone has a problem with any of my posts, how about having the BRASS TESTICLES to send me a PM and let me know something up front OK. Now after all, I am the one who's charactor got hit with a hammer. :rolleyes: /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Now you can DELETE this too, if you like.
 
Dang, I got lost trying to keep up with this maze of thread. What the heck were we talking about? Oh Yes....

So which is it? The ice cream or the cake that is the 204 or 22-250 caliber? Hmmmmmmmm, actually isn't it best when they are both together?

Well, looks like ya need both then, right ?!?!
 
tell ya what... go buy yourself and encore chubbs, you can then get yourself any single little varmint round you want i have the 22250, and its a heckuva rifle... as it was first said, they will soon have the 204 barrel, and if ya want, you can even get a 17, or 221 freball, or 480 ruger.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif but seriously give the gun a consideration, youve got like 285 choices for it...

the furthest I have been able to hit a coyote with it was about 10 yards, just can't seem to toss it any further than that. I think if I didn't have the heavy barrel, I may be able to get another 5 yards. Some folks pull the trigger on em and shoot the bullet out the end, but I find hucking the rifle more challenging.

DOD you crack me up... i once took a pheasant outta the aim with a well swung 12 gauge... much more efficient that all them fancy ballistics charts and wind drifts if ya ask me, how bout'r buddy?

Justin
 
I was wanting to get in on some of this but I got lost trying to keep up /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I've shot coyotes on the run but never at 350yards or with a 30 m.p.h. crosswind. I don't think I could hit one standing still from that far with a wind like that to be quite honest.

As far as the initial question, my opinion would be to get the .22-250 first and/or a .223. I have both and like both of them a lot! They are both field and time tested and then if you still feel like you're missing out on something get a .204, but I would definitely start off with a proven caliber IMHO /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Oh, and about the ice cream or cake, I need to know what kind of each before I can chime in on my choice on them /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Hi i am with FOX BUSTER the 22 250 has been around for a long time and i dont see any thing taking it place and if you dont reload you can get ammo just about any hunting store or Walmart or if you reload a place that sales reloading stuff they will have 22 250 brass i dont see any thing taking it place i also have a 223 i am new to a 223 but you can get brass dirt cheap for it i am going to like the 223 too VM
 
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