Buster Hindend
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Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSYes, Lucas bore guides. I just ordered another one from him yesterday. $43.95 per guide and worth every penny.
I agree with this
I agree with this
Who uses BORE GUIDES ??
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ChuckWilliams
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all of my rifles have custom tubes and I always use a bore guide. I cant tell you that's its necessary but why take the chance?
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Originally Posted By: p5200I have some possum hollow and some Sinclair but, plan to upgrade to Lucas guides. I use Dewey and Pro Shot polished stainless steel rods. Does he also make them for Anschutz 1710 22LR models?
I had lucas make some for my rifles, but he was unable to make one for my Anschutz 1717, not sure why, something about the action being really different. they are nice. I can't find any that fit my action in my Anschutz 1717, does anyone know where I can get one for it?
I had lucas make some for my rifles, but he was unable to make one for my Anschutz 1717, not sure why, something about the action being really different. they are nice. I can't find any that fit my action in my Anschutz 1717, does anyone know where I can get one for it?
Coyotehunter_
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Originally Posted By: sendit223I have Dewey
I just started using a Bore Guide. I have a cheap universal type for my bolt action rifle
And I have a Dewey Kit for AR15 with 30" long Dewey Cleaning rod on order. I'm new to the Dewey Stuff.
How do you like the Dewey Bore guide?
I was looking at some of the other bore guides but didn't know which one to buy. It's hard to tell just by looking at a picture on the web site.
I just started using a Bore Guide. I have a cheap universal type for my bolt action rifle
And I have a Dewey Kit for AR15 with 30" long Dewey Cleaning rod on order. I'm new to the Dewey Stuff.
How do you like the Dewey Bore guide?
I was looking at some of the other bore guides but didn't know which one to buy. It's hard to tell just by looking at a picture on the web site.
Coyotehunter_
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How true. There is a lot to learn.
Originally Posted By: DABSeems some are ignorant = ( Uninformed )of what a bore guide is and how much damage can be done when cleaning with out a bore guide.
I do believe at one time WE ALL were at this same point of not knowing.
DAB
Originally Posted By: DABSeems some are ignorant = ( Uninformed )of what a bore guide is and how much damage can be done when cleaning with out a bore guide.
I do believe at one time WE ALL were at this same point of not knowing.
DAB
Coyotehunter_
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Originally Posted By: p5200I have some possum hollow and some Sinclair but, plan to upgrade to Lucas guides. I use Dewey and Pro Shot polished stainless steel rods. Does he also make them for Anschutz 1710 22LR models?
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Do you like the Dewey rods or the Pro Shot rods best? Is there a big difference in them or are they pretty similar?
Do you like the Dewey rods or the Pro Shot rods best? Is there a big difference in them or are they pretty similar?
The term "bore guide" is perhaps too ambiguous. The term "Rod Guide" is closer to a correct item description.
Keep the rod centered in the bore or pay the price. The rod flexes, so don't power drive the rod through the bore.
I have wore the lands from 5-8 o'clock slick from the wear of a coated rod and polished steel rod.
Ignorance is bliss....
Keep the rod centered in the bore or pay the price. The rod flexes, so don't power drive the rod through the bore.
I have wore the lands from 5-8 o'clock slick from the wear of a coated rod and polished steel rod.
Ignorance is bliss....
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coyotekillerNE
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Call me ignorant or whatever you will, but I don't use bore guides. I guess I don't understand how one wears 'gun metal' down with a coated cleaning rod. I mean, bullets are being pushed down the bore thousands of fps, causing friction that actually heats the metal very quickly. Also, there's also the tens of thousands of psi that the bore has to contend with.
I guess if you're sitting there 'sawing' on the barrel with a brush enough to lap it, then yeah, I get it. I use wipeout and don't brush my bores unless I absolutely have to. I do make sure my rod is centered in the bore when I'm pushing it down it, but that seems like common sense, more to keep it from binding. I usually only clean after I hang my guns up for the season or if foreign material gets down it.
Also, what are you guys putting down your barrel that you're uncomfortable with getting in the action that can't be taken care of with a swift wipe of a cloth?
I just suspect I'd shoot a barrel out before ever "cleaning" it out.
My own opinion and no scientific research to back it, but with my cleaning regimen and methods, bore guides seem awfully gimmicky to me.
I guess if you're sitting there 'sawing' on the barrel with a brush enough to lap it, then yeah, I get it. I use wipeout and don't brush my bores unless I absolutely have to. I do make sure my rod is centered in the bore when I'm pushing it down it, but that seems like common sense, more to keep it from binding. I usually only clean after I hang my guns up for the season or if foreign material gets down it.
Also, what are you guys putting down your barrel that you're uncomfortable with getting in the action that can't be taken care of with a swift wipe of a cloth?
I just suspect I'd shoot a barrel out before ever "cleaning" it out.
My own opinion and no scientific research to back it, but with my cleaning regimen and methods, bore guides seem awfully gimmicky to me.
OldTurtle
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Quote:I had lucas make some for my rifles, but he was unable to make one for my Anschutz 1717, not sure why, something about the action being really different. they are nice. I can't find any that fit my action in my Anschutz 1717,
I have several 'rod' guides made by Mike Lucas...He was able to produce one for my Walther (Mauser action) .22lr from the specs I furnished....You might contact him directly to see if you can give him the necessary specs for the Anschutz...He also produced one for my .308 with a Styer-Mauser action that is one variation of the normal 98 Mauser actions available..
I have several 'rod' guides made by Mike Lucas...He was able to produce one for my Walther (Mauser action) .22lr from the specs I furnished....You might contact him directly to see if you can give him the necessary specs for the Anschutz...He also produced one for my .308 with a Styer-Mauser action that is one variation of the normal 98 Mauser actions available..
Originally Posted By: skb2706There is no magic in "rod guides". I've made a half dozen of them. Unless the guides actually held the rod the entire length of the bore it's more of a feel good thing. They don't do that regardless of who makes them the rod still will touch the bore
How much they touch the bore and where they touch the bore is what is critical.
Two brands of bore guides are the only ones worth considering:
Neil Jones
Lucas
What is critical about these rod guides is that there is a bushing that fits on the rod that keeps the rod centered in the rod guide so that the rod is not just flopping around inside the rear opening of the rod guide.
If you want to power drive your rod through the bore, the rod will flex and put a lot of friction on the sides of the barrel, but if you "feel" your way through the barrel with the patches and brushes gently, then you eliminate a lot of rod flex.
How much they touch the bore and where they touch the bore is what is critical.
Two brands of bore guides are the only ones worth considering:
Neil Jones
Lucas
What is critical about these rod guides is that there is a bushing that fits on the rod that keeps the rod centered in the rod guide so that the rod is not just flopping around inside the rear opening of the rod guide.
If you want to power drive your rod through the bore, the rod will flex and put a lot of friction on the sides of the barrel, but if you "feel" your way through the barrel with the patches and brushes gently, then you eliminate a lot of rod flex.
bushy
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Originally Posted By: coyotekillerNECall me ignorant or whatever you will, but I don't use bore guides. I guess I don't understand how one wears 'gun metal' down with a coated cleaning rod. I mean, bullets are being pushed down the bore thousands of fps, causing friction that actually heats the metal very quickly. Also, there's also the tens of thousands of psi that the bore has to contend with.
I guess if you're sitting there 'sawing' on the barrel with a brush enough to lap it, then yeah, I get it. I use wipeout and don't brush my bores unless I absolutely have to. I do make sure my rod is centered in the bore when I'm pushing it down it, but that seems like common sense, more to keep it from binding. I usually only clean after I hang my guns up for the season or if foreign material gets down it.
Also, what are you guys putting down your barrel that you're uncomfortable with getting in the action that can't be taken care of with a swift wipe of a cloth?
I just suspect I'd shoot a barrel out before ever "cleaning" it out.
My own opinion and no scientific research to back it, but with my cleaning regimen and methods, bore guides seem awfully gimmicky to me.
Oh wow.
Try it. You might like it. Cleaner, better for your barrel, not one downside listed in three old pages...
Then again, in 1997 when I bought my first AR. I was told the same thing... Gimmick, not accurate, not needed at all.
I guess if you're sitting there 'sawing' on the barrel with a brush enough to lap it, then yeah, I get it. I use wipeout and don't brush my bores unless I absolutely have to. I do make sure my rod is centered in the bore when I'm pushing it down it, but that seems like common sense, more to keep it from binding. I usually only clean after I hang my guns up for the season or if foreign material gets down it.
Also, what are you guys putting down your barrel that you're uncomfortable with getting in the action that can't be taken care of with a swift wipe of a cloth?
I just suspect I'd shoot a barrel out before ever "cleaning" it out.
My own opinion and no scientific research to back it, but with my cleaning regimen and methods, bore guides seem awfully gimmicky to me.
Oh wow.
Try it. You might like it. Cleaner, better for your barrel, not one downside listed in three old pages...
Then again, in 1997 when I bought my first AR. I was told the same thing... Gimmick, not accurate, not needed at all.
Originally Posted By: skb2706There is no magic in "rod guides". I've made a half dozen of them. Unless the guides actually held the rod the entire length of the bore it's more of a feel good thing. They don't do that regardless of who makes them the rod still will touch the bore
Lucas and Jones guides support the rod to the chamber. That's not magic, it's design. And a properly sized jag and patch ensure the rod does not contact the bore. Done right, only the patch or brush should ever contact the bore.
Lucas and Jones guides support the rod to the chamber. That's not magic, it's design. And a properly sized jag and patch ensure the rod does not contact the bore. Done right, only the patch or brush should ever contact the bore.
coyotekillerNE
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I'm not trying to be facetious here, I'm really not; but can someone please post an independent study of how many cleanings it would take to wear down a bore, guide vs none.
I completely understand that it's great to use them, less mess etc. I tend to gravitate towards factual scientific information before I truly believe in something. There's just been so many myths related to guns that have all been considered factual until someone using the scientific method steps in.
I do know I wouldn't have the time or the patience to go out in my shop and start whittling away at a piece of metal with a coated cleaning rod to remove any material.
I've seen several of these posts about bore guides but have never seen an actual test referenced.
I'll fully admit that I'm wrong and will start investing in bore guides if someone can show me the "light."
I completely understand that it's great to use them, less mess etc. I tend to gravitate towards factual scientific information before I truly believe in something. There's just been so many myths related to guns that have all been considered factual until someone using the scientific method steps in.
I do know I wouldn't have the time or the patience to go out in my shop and start whittling away at a piece of metal with a coated cleaning rod to remove any material.
I've seen several of these posts about bore guides but have never seen an actual test referenced.
I'll fully admit that I'm wrong and will start investing in bore guides if someone can show me the "light."
DiRTY DOG
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There are no studies or peer reviewed journals on damage caused by not using bore guides.
We *all* know you're never supposed to clean from the muzzle end of the barrel, because you can possibly cause uneven friction wear at the crown from running the cleaning rod against it repeatedly. Logic says the same exact type of damage can happen at the chamber end- to the lands in the throat. Unless the rod is supported so it remains centered as it enters the chamber.
With all the custom barrel makers and fancy gunsmiths out there with bore scopes, you'd think there would be some photos on the web. Or at least ONE photo.
We *all* know you're never supposed to clean from the muzzle end of the barrel, because you can possibly cause uneven friction wear at the crown from running the cleaning rod against it repeatedly. Logic says the same exact type of damage can happen at the chamber end- to the lands in the throat. Unless the rod is supported so it remains centered as it enters the chamber.
With all the custom barrel makers and fancy gunsmiths out there with bore scopes, you'd think there would be some photos on the web. Or at least ONE photo.
Quote:I'll fully admit that I'm wrong and will start investing in bore guides if someone can show me the "light."
I doubt that anyone has conducted "an independent study of how many cleanings it would take to wear down a bore, guide vs none", however, a prime example of rod induced barrel wear was quite evident on every "Blue Sky" M1 Garands that were re-imported several years ago. There was no rifling for the first 1/2" or so in every one I saw. Rifling looked good farther down the bore, so it was not shot out.
A few years ago, while shooting HP rifle competition, I fired at least 100 rounds per week in practice and on match weekends up to 300 rounds in two 30-06 Mod. 70 target rifles. With careful cleaning practices (including coated rods, nylon only brushes and bore guides), I could nurse up to 7500 rounds out of my barrels before they started to throw unexplained fliers. As pahntr said, at $600-700 per barrel, anything to squeeze a few hundred more rounds out of the barrel was a good investment IMO.
Regards,
hm
I doubt that anyone has conducted "an independent study of how many cleanings it would take to wear down a bore, guide vs none", however, a prime example of rod induced barrel wear was quite evident on every "Blue Sky" M1 Garands that were re-imported several years ago. There was no rifling for the first 1/2" or so in every one I saw. Rifling looked good farther down the bore, so it was not shot out.
A few years ago, while shooting HP rifle competition, I fired at least 100 rounds per week in practice and on match weekends up to 300 rounds in two 30-06 Mod. 70 target rifles. With careful cleaning practices (including coated rods, nylon only brushes and bore guides), I could nurse up to 7500 rounds out of my barrels before they started to throw unexplained fliers. As pahntr said, at $600-700 per barrel, anything to squeeze a few hundred more rounds out of the barrel was a good investment IMO.
Regards,
hm