dan brothers
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why would you not first bed the action....?
Why is my cold bore shot off?
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Kingzero
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Originally Posted By: spotshot Thx I was planning on checking with him tomorrow. I got to decide what I want.... I'm thinking heavy sporter with a 24-26 barrel. These guys got me looking at Lija too. Those tight group pics speak volumes!!!!
Just remember, a Lilja will run you alittle over $300 and you will still have to fork out a couple hundred to get it threaded and chambered. If thats the route you want to go, then have at it. Nothing wrong with a Shilen or Criterion ready to shoot for a little over $300.
Just remember, a Lilja will run you alittle over $300 and you will still have to fork out a couple hundred to get it threaded and chambered. If thats the route you want to go, then have at it. Nothing wrong with a Shilen or Criterion ready to shoot for a little over $300.
Originally Posted By: dan brotherswhy would you not first bed the action....?
I am looking at that as well, depending on the cost. I do know my barrel is temp sensitive and the cold bore avgs 2.6 from following 3 shots. After the 3rd I have to wait 15 minutes to the next shot and 5 minutes between each shot or it really opens up . If I can bed it for a low cost I would try it but I don't want to get too deep when I can buy a barrel that would be an upgrade from my current setup. I really want to eventually put a real deal shooter together over the next couple of years . I don't have a clue how much a bedding job will run yet .
I am looking at that as well, depending on the cost. I do know my barrel is temp sensitive and the cold bore avgs 2.6 from following 3 shots. After the 3rd I have to wait 15 minutes to the next shot and 5 minutes between each shot or it really opens up . If I can bed it for a low cost I would try it but I don't want to get too deep when I can buy a barrel that would be an upgrade from my current setup. I really want to eventually put a real deal shooter together over the next couple of years . I don't have a clue how much a bedding job will run yet .
EJ Reichenbach
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Do it yourself, there are lots of YouTube videos, what kind of rifle is it? Sounds to me u need a new tube
Smokeless
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Originally Posted By: spotshotI've been working up loads the last few weekends for my 7/08. I've noticed each day my cold bore shot is averaging 2.6" lower than all the other shots. The point of impact does not vary after the cold bore. I have added a new Vortex scope, Burris rings, and a Millet one piece base. Is it the scope set up or what do think I should check first? I'm confused how the scope set up can only move on one shot.
Why don't you tell us a little about your load development.
What have you tried, how much of what are we talking here?
Why don't you tell us a little about your load development.
What have you tried, how much of what are we talking here?
Originally Posted By: SmokelessOriginally Posted By: spotshotI've been working up loads the last few weekends for my 7/08. I've noticed each day my cold bore shot is averaging 2.6" lower than all the other shots. The point of impact does not vary after the cold bore. I have added a new Vortex scope, Burris rings, and a Millet one piece base. Is it the scope set up or what do think I should check first? I'm confused how the scope set up can only move on one shot.
Why don't you tell us a little about your load development.
What have you tried, how much of what are we talking here?
I have been primarily working up loads with the 145 gr Speer
Boattail and the 162 gr Amax. I have used reloader 15,17 and IMR4350 with the Reloader powders workin the best. My accurate load with 17 was 46.5 grains for the Speer and 42.5 of RL-15 for the Amax. Both loads started accurate and improved as I went up until I hit max. Both shot .5 groups in 3 shots. The Amax was still shooting excellent at 43 grains but was getting a real stiff bolt. The 4350 did real well on the 145 but the reloader 17 seemed to avg slightly better with alleged better velocity - no chrono. The 145 avg a 2" difference in the cold bore and the 162 is averaging 2.7. I have used the 110 grain Speer and the 130 Speer that also shot real well too, especially the 130.
Why don't you tell us a little about your load development.
What have you tried, how much of what are we talking here?
I have been primarily working up loads with the 145 gr Speer
Boattail and the 162 gr Amax. I have used reloader 15,17 and IMR4350 with the Reloader powders workin the best. My accurate load with 17 was 46.5 grains for the Speer and 42.5 of RL-15 for the Amax. Both loads started accurate and improved as I went up until I hit max. Both shot .5 groups in 3 shots. The Amax was still shooting excellent at 43 grains but was getting a real stiff bolt. The 4350 did real well on the 145 but the reloader 17 seemed to avg slightly better with alleged better velocity - no chrono. The 145 avg a 2" difference in the cold bore and the 162 is averaging 2.7. I have used the 110 grain Speer and the 130 Speer that also shot real well too, especially the 130.
EJ Reichenbach
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Just curious what's the rifle
ninehorses
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I had a Remington 700 ADL that would walk off the target by the fifth or sixth shot. When let cool, it would return to zero after about an hour. It was rocking between the screws. My gunsmith bedded and floated it, and after that it was my go to deer rifle.
I wouldn't condemn your barrel as temperature sensitive without checking the bedding and barrel channel. I just don't understand getting a Boyds, and not glassing the action. I would glass bed it, then, if that doesn't help your problem, you can still screw a new tube on later.
I wouldn't condemn your barrel as temperature sensitive without checking the bedding and barrel channel. I just don't understand getting a Boyds, and not glassing the action. I would glass bed it, then, if that doesn't help your problem, you can still screw a new tube on later.
Originally Posted By: ninehorsesI had a Remington 700 ADL that would walk off the target by the fifth or sixth shot. When let cool, it would return to zero after about an hour. It was rocking between the screws. My gunsmith bedded and floated it, and after that it was my go to deer rifle.
I wouldn't condemn your barrel as temperature sensitive without checking the bedding and barrel channel. I just don't understand getting a Boyds, and not glassing the action. I would glass bed it, then, if that doesn't help your problem, you can still screw a new tube on later.
Thanks. That's proly some good advice. I'm calling the 'smith to get a price. Definaty can't hurt and would help the next barrel if needed.
I wouldn't condemn your barrel as temperature sensitive without checking the bedding and barrel channel. I just don't understand getting a Boyds, and not glassing the action. I would glass bed it, then, if that doesn't help your problem, you can still screw a new tube on later.
Thanks. That's proly some good advice. I'm calling the 'smith to get a price. Definaty can't hurt and would help the next barrel if needed.
EJ Reichenbach
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Originally Posted By: spotshotOriginally Posted By: EJ ReichenbachJust curious what's the rifle
Savage action, ER Shaw barrel, Boyds Laminate Thumbhole stock, Vortex scope, Millet 1 pc base , Burris Signature Zee rings.
There u go! It's a Boyd's u should bed it, then see what it does.
Savage action, ER Shaw barrel, Boyds Laminate Thumbhole stock, Vortex scope, Millet 1 pc base , Burris Signature Zee rings.
There u go! It's a Boyd's u should bed it, then see what it does.
Originally Posted By: EJ ReichenbachOriginally Posted By: spotshotOriginally Posted By: EJ ReichenbachJust curious what's the rifle
Savage action, ER Shaw barrel, Boyds Laminate Thumbhole stock, Vortex scope, Millet 1 pc base , Burris Signature Zee rings.
There u go! It's a Boyd's u should bed it, then see what it does.
Yep. Called the 'Smith today and I will drop it off tomorrow or Thursday . If that don't fix it I'll have a barrel picked and ready to order ASAP!!
Savage action, ER Shaw barrel, Boyds Laminate Thumbhole stock, Vortex scope, Millet 1 pc base , Burris Signature Zee rings.
There u go! It's a Boyd's u should bed it, then see what it does.
Yep. Called the 'Smith today and I will drop it off tomorrow or Thursday . If that don't fix it I'll have a barrel picked and ready to order ASAP!!
Bedding it is a very smart idea. Then I would clean real well with wipe out, then follow up with a couple of applications of lock Ease, let the lock ease liquid evaporate, push excess out with dry patch and test your first shot. This has always worked for me. My 7mm08 barrel is a Kimber and its contour is the same as a Lilja #1, so you could say it was heat sensitive, but using the above procedure it shoots to exact point of aim from the first shot to the 5th shot.
Originally Posted By: K22Bedding it is a very smart idea. Then I would clean real well with wipe out, then follow up with a couple of applications of lock Ease, let the lock ease liquid evaporate, push excess out with dry patch and test your first shot. This has always worked for me. My 7mm08 barrel is a Kimber and its contour is the same as a Lilja #1, so you could say it was heat sensitive, but using the above procedure it shoots to exact point of aim from the first shot to the 5th shot.
Thanks. I'm not familiar with Lock Ease, what is it ?
Thanks. I'm not familiar with Lock Ease, what is it ?
Originally Posted By: spotshotI've been working up loads the last few weekends for my 7/08. I've noticed each day my cold bore shot is averaging 2.6" lower than all the other shots. The point of impact does not vary after the cold bore. I have added a new Vortex scope, Burris rings, and a Millet one piece base. Is it the scope set up or what do think I should check first? I'm confused how the scope set up can only move on one shot.
UPDATE: Ive had my barrel back from the gunsmith for a couple weeks now. Since he bedded my action I have tested several loads and can't believe the difference!! The cold bore is within a 1/2 on all loads and some there is no difference. The rifle acts completely different and shoots more consistent than I would have imagined .I have a 450 yd 12"x12" steel target i shoot from my yard. I have shot it cold bore and follow up shot several evenings with hits every time on both shots. I could never hit the cold bore consistently before I bedded the action. Lesson learned. It's the best $75 I ever spent on a rifle.
UPDATE: Ive had my barrel back from the gunsmith for a couple weeks now. Since he bedded my action I have tested several loads and can't believe the difference!! The cold bore is within a 1/2 on all loads and some there is no difference. The rifle acts completely different and shoots more consistent than I would have imagined .I have a 450 yd 12"x12" steel target i shoot from my yard. I have shot it cold bore and follow up shot several evenings with hits every time on both shots. I could never hit the cold bore consistently before I bedded the action. Lesson learned. It's the best $75 I ever spent on a rifle.
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old_sparky
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Several years ago a buddy's Ruger 25-06 was giving us fits throwing shots off and temperature seemed critical. After lots of him messing around with scopes, rings, floating the barrel channel etc. In a conversation we realized his action tightening sequence was to blame. He always started at the rear end and tightened screws tight. What was happening is the barrel lug was never seated because of the rear screw pulling it in a bind. Just one of many screw ups I have been involved in. Glad you got yours figured out. Thanks for sharing
Hey! Can I buy that barrel??? LOL!
Glad you brought this subject up!! Bedding that rifle will add to it's accuracy no matter what other barrel you might mount on it in the future .....
...... the advantage will follow you around so long as that action is mated to that stock for life!!
Best regards
Three 44s
Glad you brought this subject up!! Bedding that rifle will add to it's accuracy no matter what other barrel you might mount on it in the future .....
...... the advantage will follow you around so long as that action is mated to that stock for life!!
Best regards
Three 44s