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“Using game farms isn't a style of hunting, but rather it's a perception that one has hunted or going to go hunting. It's not good for the sport to either assume that's it's not happening, or to condone it's existence. Using game farms, claiming that it's hunting is wrong. The animal has but one outcome to his life. You can't say that about fair chase. ”
“Again let me go over what's already been said a thousand times, the 80% of the population that will decide our future is disgusted by the concept of game farm hunting. A bunch believe that this is the sport of hunting. Need I go any further?”
I’m not really following your logic here 4100fps.
First you say it isn’t a style of hunting, then you say you’re concern is that the 80% of people who decide what you do, believe it is hunting.
Really grabbing for straws there now aren't we. If you read it, it says the general public perception might think that this is hunting and therefore hate all hunting as being not sporting for the animal. The public believes that as long as the animal has a chance of getting away that it's a fair sport. Game farms aren't. I've been clear I don't believe it's hunting at all. The only similarity is by definition only. I thought you promised to stay away from the booze until afternoon.
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Which side of the fence are you on today?
I'm still on the open and fair chase side of the fence as I always will be.
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Every living breathing thing has the same outcome to look forward to, especially the animals I hunt by fair chase.
So is your argument that the animal can’t choose how it dies in a pen?
Come one, you know that once a client pays for the service on a game farm that there's 100% chance that a animal will die, by a shooters hand. In the wild population the animal may live to die of old age, after a long full life. You know full well what I mean. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
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No problem. You’ve expressed your opinion, why would you want to stop someone else from doing a legal activity? BTW you don’t need to say what’s been said a thousand times. How about a simple answer to my question?
This time read my posts not just the first line, I've addressed the horrors of farms and why I'll not be content to live and let live. These farms threaten my heritage.
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If game farms become more popular, it is because they work as an industry, if they didn’t work they would simply fail and disappear. You don’t really believe that game farm owners would subsidize a failing operation so someone can go to the farm and shoot an animal?
Ok, don't take my words out of context and insert your own, I said "If more people use game farms because of the instant success and perceived trophy quality you get from them, then more of them crop up."
I didn't say that people wouldn't use them, Hell you use them yourself. The more demand for them the more land will be farmed for canned hunts and our native wildlife suffer.
New Zealand is mostly game farms is that the type of hunting you want? People like instant gratification, and bragging rights. "Looky what I found will hunting in Idaho this year." It deminishes real fair chase trohpies.
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How does a game farmer take away public land from hunting?
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In Colorado for instance a giant game farmer put his game farm right in the middle of a migration path. Oh he left a door there for them to come in alright, but it lead to a holding pasture where he processed them with tags off of dead elk and moved them to sell or supplement his operation. Here in Montana our detectives caught a farmer with tranquilizer darts. Nothing new there other than he was up on the wild elk's winter range and his hired hands had a stock truck to load elk up. Another problem is the dispersal of animals on the winter range and the loss of this In the Bitterroot Valley this guy buys up 8,000 acres of land that is a major mule deer herd winter range. Because of this half the mule deer were removed by the State because it put to many animals on what was left for winter range. Loss of opportunity for the fair chase sportsman there
I didn't say that they take away public land, just the public resource, or have negative impacts to them.
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Who sold the 8000 acres of winter range to the rancher?
Lots of private property holds very important amounts of winter range. Without it the native wildlife populations would be small. The native wildlife populations can only be as large as the winter range can support. Simple biology.
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When the antis shut down game farms, then they will move on to the next form of killing animals that they think they can shut down. That may be pds, or hound guys, or archery or whatever, it really doesn’t matter. What matters is that they will shut it all down if they can.
This is not a form of hunting Redfrog, not even a little. Thats where you have a big hole in your posts. Sportsman in Montana and Wyoming are the ones that shut game farms down, not the anti's. These operations are so bad for our sport that we closed them down.
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4100fps, I’m not trying to bust your chops. I just want to hear your opinion, or anyone else’s. Back it up with some facts or logic and who knows we may end up in the same place at the end of the day.
Redfrog, my posts since the beginning of this thread have been full of facts. Go back and reread them before asking me anymore questions. Before throwing a punch, make sure that you haven't already been hit in the mouth. There's only one place to end up if your a sportsman, and that's on the outside of game farms hunting fair chase.
