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So 4100fps, you actually forced your way through half of a thread that was about organizing a very real and actual threat to to legal hunting. Very noble of you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Yet you see to have no problem slogging through every post on this thread, all the while trying to stop a legal form of hunting. And then you have the nerve to preach ethics.

What a joke. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Blah! Blah! blah! where's the rest of the list of legal hunting you want done away with? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

Like I said some guys get it and some don't, and some don't even realize they don't. That would be you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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In fact thoughout this whole tread, its has been the gut's with financial interests in high fenced and canned hunting that have quoted these sources and provided links to both their sites (in the case of GWH) and their articles (i.e. you). Why is that?



I have no financial interests in high fenced hunts (they are almost totally illegal in Oregon). So when you say I do, eastcoasthunter, you are %100 full of schit.

You claim I am the one that lacks "the knowledge and perhaps experience to make an intelligent argument", yet you base your argument on assumption, and knee-jerk reaction.
 
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In fact thoughout this whole tread, its has been the gut's with financial interests in high fenced and canned hunting that have quoted these sources and provided links to both their sites (in the case of GWH) and their articles (i.e. you). Why is that?



Eastcoasthunter perhaps you should lean how to read, comprehend and remember before you go spouting off at the mouth about things you do not know what you are talking about. Please quote were I ever said I have a vested interest in Game farms.

The sites I quoted were pulled from goggle. They were posted along with your quote to show the hypocrisy in you. When it affects you and your hunting you dislike it but if you do not like it then get rid of it.

Now that you have approved of bow fishing can I get the list I requested.
 
We have quiet a few game farms here in Mn. and they are under super vision by the DNR. From what i under stand each game farm opr. vacanates his own animals and keeps records of this. But when sales are down and they aren't bringing in enough money i think they cheat alittle and falseafy records and not vaccanate some of the animals..Every year a game farm opr. will get caught not doing what needs to be done and some don't get caught till something happens like animals escapeing from fenced areas. If animals do get out they will try to chase them back in but in most cases they all have to be put down and also tested. How many of these animals get out of pens and are not reported? No one no's for sure, but the last 3-4 years we are seeing a steady increase in dieases in our deer herds. This spring the DNR has conducted a hunt for sick deer in the northern part of the state, i think 300 plus deer have to be removed..
All this could of been prevented if the state would of banned big-game farms.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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So 4100fps, you actually forced your way through half of a thread that was about organizing a very real and actual threat to to legal hunting. Very noble of you.



Let's see, I ask you questions, you dodge the answers. Why? Because they enforce my position.
Your think that this thread's not about game farms, but a noble idea that hunters should stick together at all cost.
How selfish of you. Your a Outfitter. Huh, go figure that you would support the hunting of game farms. Makes it easier for you to led a client up to an animal. No reason to chase them [beeep] wild animals all over.

Ethics are what it's all about, this whole thread. If we want to save hunting and see our children continue we need to hunt in ethical means as much as possible. You don't agree then your the problem, and not the solution. These Antis that Butcher45 posted are more the main stream. Do you think the mind set on Predator Masters is Main Stream? I'll answer that with an emphatically based NO!
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Like I said some guys get it and some don't, and some don't even realize they don't. That would be you.



The Alberta, American Redfrog. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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Blah! Blah! blah! where's the rest of the list of legal hunting you want done away with?



Is that what you post while trying to come up with support for your position? PS. You still don't get it, I don't consider shooting livestock in pens, hunting. I've ansered this question once already.

Now answer mine and quit dodging it.

Have Alberta sportsman ever lost opportunity because of a game farm? Have Alberta residents ever footed the bill for a clean-up mess caused by a game farm? Have you ever outfitted on a game farm? I answer all your questions quit dodging and answer mine.
 
This is the reality of game farm opperations, this is why we banned the hunting on them.

Do you see RedFrog the sportsman of Minn. paid to kill the animals that they love to pursue so a game farm could exist.
Really makes since to support one another when the Game farms are leeches on Real Hunting. You don't get it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif
 
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I have no financial interests in high fenced hunts (they are almost totally illegal in Oregon). So when you say I do, eastcoasthunter, you are %100 full of schit.



No but you sure do hunt them don't you Butcher 45. By the nice game farm pig over a feeder with your air rifle.
 
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I have no financial interests in high fenced hunts (they are almost totally illegal in Oregon). So when you say I do, eastcoasthunter, you are %100 full of schit.



No but you sure do hunt them don't you Butcher 45. By the nice game farm pig over a feeder with your air rifle.



So it is hunting now?:)
I doubt you will catch it this time, just as you haven't caught it all along, but I'll say it again one more time.

I have been on one high fenced hunt for hogs, in which I did not get to shoot a hog. The rest of my hunting is for small game and varmints on public land in Oregon.

Are you going to be able to start reading other people's posts without reading into other people's posts, or should we all just give up on you, too? What is your dis-ability?
 
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But when sales are down and they aren't bringing in enough money i think they cheat alittle and falseafy records and not vaccanate some of the animals.


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This spring the DNR has conducted a hunt for sick deer in the northern part of the state, i think 300 plus deer have to be removed.




Nice to see somebody bring facts to the table.....I 'think' this and I 'think' that. If you are going to make a point, at least have something more than speculation to draw conclusions from.

By the way, I 'think' the point of this thread has been completely lost.
 
Butcher45, You've got completly nothing.

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I have been on one high fenced hunt for hogs, in which I did not get to shoot a hog. The rest of my hunting is for small game and varmints on public land in Oregon.




You need to go out, do some real hunting on public, or private ground for wild free ranging animals. Then come back here and express your expert oppinions.

(haven't even hunted big game)WOW!
 
Animals are showing up sick at random gamefarms and have to be destroyed (Fact) So i would say they are not getting vaccanated...
The hunt is still going on for sick deer so i cannot give you an exact number. The goal was 300-800 animals or untill they stopped finding deer that tested positive. This is the second time in the state of Mn. where the deer had to be culled..( Fact)
If someone wishes to hunt penned animals i don't really care, but the states that allow it should require the game farms to have better fenceing or double fences. The animals should have to be vaccsanated by a lic. Vet. and documented and the animals should be checked more often than once a year....
 
RayB, the funny part of my hog with a knife story is that it DOESN't involve any dogs. We pulled 2 hogs out of traps alive. I was securing the first hog on the trailor when the second hog got out of her hobbles (the green pea had used the hobbles that were too big for her) and took off down the side of the truck toward me. I actually superman jumped and landed on her hind quarters. Quickly I got a knee into her side and unsheathed my knife. A quick jab to the vitals, a twist of the wrist, and a short wait, and the animal was harvested. IF THAT AINT FAIR CHASE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS. lmao After it was all said and done I think we all nearly killed OURSELVES laughing uncontrollably for what felt like 20 minutes. My buddy steve said that I give a new meaning to the term "mall ninja".
 
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Butcher45, You've got completly nothing.

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I have been on one high fenced hunt for hogs, in which I did not get to shoot a hog. The rest of my hunting is for small game and varmints on public land in Oregon.




You need to go out, do some real hunting on public, or private ground for wild free ranging animals. Then come back here and express your expert oppinions.

(haven't even hunted big game)WOW!



You highlight my quote where I tell you that most of my hunting is on public land, then tell me I need to go hunt some public or private land with wild free-ranging animals.
What makes you think the animals on public land in Oregon aren't free ranging, or wild? Your attention span is about as short as I've ever seen. Well, yours and that other guy we won't mention again.
I enjoy hunting with airguns and have no interest in hunting with anything else right now. The legal quarry for airguns in Oregon are small game and predators/varmints. When I can afford to take the trip back east, I would like to hunt deer in one of the states where they are legal to hunt with an airgun (there are several states it is legal).
What size animal do I need to hunt for you to think it is "real" hunting, anyway?
Again what is your mental defect? You prove over and over again that you have one by failing to read what is written for what it is, and being unable to pull your head out.
 
Here is an edited version of the story that I hope helps the people who don’t understand the meaning of the original post. Please read you might find yourself being Joe.


The following is real, and it’s here.
Joe Hunter goes to a cocktail party, nothing fancy, just a holiday gathering in Anytown, USA. A conversation begins with Bob Peta, it goes something like this;
“Say Joe, didn’t you go deer hunting this year.”
“Sure did Bob.”
“Man that’s, uh, great, did you get one?”
“Yep, sure did, nice 6 point with my BOW .”
“Uh, wow, hey that’s great. Say listen Joe, yer a true hunter, a ”Real” hunter are you not?”
“Yes, I sure am. I am a BOW HUNTER
“Say, I hear tell of a kinda huntin where people can go and kill animals with GUNS . You’ve never done that have you?”
“No, no I haven’t.”
“Well I wouldn’t call that “real” hunting, would you Joe.”
“Well, that’s not the way I hunt.”
“I know Joe, but there are people that hunt with GUNS , I don’t think that’s “Really” hunting, do you Joe.”
“Well, uh, I guess not.”
“Great, say listen Joe, a bunch of us concerned “Real” hunters are trying to get that done away with, we feel that it is unethical. Will you help us Joe?”
“Well sure, because that’s not the way I hunt, and I am a “Real” hunter.”
“Say thanks Joe; here is what we need you to do. As a “real” hunter, the big boys in senate and congress will listen to you; they know that any “Real” hunter only hunts the way you do, and that’s the only “Real” hunting there is. So what we need you to do is get out there and get petitions signed, people will sign them because you are a “Real” hunter and know that only your way of hunting is the “Real” way.”
So Joe diligently goes after the goal, to ban and outlaw any kind of hunting that Bob suggests is not “Real” hunting. He gathers signatures, petitions courts, makes meetings, he is really cleaning up this “unethical” way of hunting. Hell, he’s got a lot of support. He’s gathering “Real” hunters from all over, and finally, after much hard work, they get a legal way of hunting banned.

“Joe, you did great and we sure appreciate your hard work, but hey, let me tell you what I heard about. There is another kind of hunting “We” think is not right. Do you think you can help us?”
“Well, I guess so Bob, I don’t hunt like that, so it’s not “Real” hunting. How can I help?”
“Well, here is what we need…….,” and it’s the same story. Odd how Bob seems to keep adding onto the list of what “Real” hunting is, but Joe goes at it hard and heavy, and in the end, he gets that type of legal hunting banned. Bob and his “Friends” are happy. Joe’s a “Real” hunter after all, and these other guy’s, well, they are not, because the way they hunt is different from Joe, and Joe does not like that type of hunting, so what’s the harm in getting rid of it? Joe’s a “Real” hunter you know. Not like those other guys. He even goes to Sportsman’s organizations and recruits from within, it’s easy because there are a lot of “Real” hunters there.

Time passes and more and more legal forms of hunting are banned. Bob and his “friends” are happy with Joe. He’s been a big help. After it’s all just about gone, Bob and his “friends” decide that it is time to get Joe’s way of hunting banned, the final chapter.
“Bob, uh, hey buddy, this is Joe. I know I helped you get rid of all those other forms of legal hunting, but now there is a move to get rid of the way I hunt.”
“Well Joe, I know. My “friends” and I are spearheading that.”
“But Bob, I thought you liked the way I hunt, that it was ok for me to do the type of hunting I do.”
“Well Joe, no, any and all types of hunting are bad, the poor defenseless animals never have a chance, and we dislike, actually hate hunters.”
“But I thought the way I hunted was “Real” hunting to you.”
“Hell Joe, it was all “ Real” hunting, but we at PETA and HSUS Hate you, but thanks for all your help, we really appreciate it.”

You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”. A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or when you hunt. They just want all hunting done away with. They use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”.

If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, and decide to pick and chose the ones you like and dislike, and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it.
 
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Here is an edited version of the story that I hope helps the people who don’t understand the meaning of the original post. Please read you might find yourself being Joe.


The following is real, and it’s here.
Joe Hunter goes to a cocktail party, nothing fancy, just a holiday gathering in Anytown, USA. A conversation begins with Bob Peta, it goes something like this;
“Say Joe, didn’t you go deer hunting this year.”
“Sure did Bob.”
“Man that’s, uh, great, did you get one?”
“Yep, sure did, nice 6 point with my BOW .”
“Uh, wow, hey that’s great. Say listen Joe, yer a true hunter, a ”Real” hunter are you not?”
“Yes, I sure am. I am a BOW HUNTER
“Say, I hear tell of a kinda huntin where people can go and kill animals with GUNS . You’ve never done that have you?”
“No, no I haven’t.”
“Well I wouldn’t call that “real” hunting, would you Joe.”
“Well, that’s not the way I hunt.”
“I know Joe, but there are people that hunt with GUNS , I don’t think that’s “Really” hunting, do you Joe.”
“Well, uh, I guess not.”
“Great, say listen Joe, a bunch of us concerned “Real” hunters are trying to get that done away with, we feel that it is unethical. Will you help us Joe?”
“Well sure, because that’s not the way I hunt, and I am a “Real” hunter.”
“Say thanks Joe; here is what we need you to do. As a “real” hunter, the big boys in senate and congress will listen to you; they know that any “Real” hunter only hunts the way you do, and that’s the only “Real” hunting there is. So what we need you to do is get out there and get petitions signed, people will sign them because you are a “Real” hunter and know that only your way of hunting is the “Real” way.”
So Joe diligently goes after the goal, to ban and outlaw any kind of hunting that Bob suggests is not “Real” hunting. He gathers signatures, petitions courts, makes meetings, he is really cleaning up this “unethical” way of hunting. Hell, he’s got a lot of support. He’s gathering “Real” hunters from all over, and finally, after much hard work, they get a legal way of hunting banned.

“Joe, you did great and we sure appreciate your hard work, but hey, let me tell you what I heard about. There is another kind of hunting “We” think is not right. Do you think you can help us?”
“Well, I guess so Bob, I don’t hunt like that, so it’s not “Real” hunting. How can I help?”
“Well, here is what we need…….,” and it’s the same story. Odd how Bob seems to keep adding onto the list of what “Real” hunting is, but Joe goes at it hard and heavy, and in the end, he gets that type of legal hunting banned. Bob and his “Friends” are happy. Joe’s a “Real” hunter after all, and these other guy’s, well, they are not, because the way they hunt is different from Joe, and Joe does not like that type of hunting, so what’s the harm in getting rid of it? Joe’s a “Real” hunter you know. Not like those other guys. He even goes to Sportsman’s organizations and recruits from within, it’s easy because there are a lot of “Real” hunters there.

Time passes and more and more legal forms of hunting are banned. Bob and his “friends” are happy with Joe. He’s been a big help. After it’s all just about gone, Bob and his “friends” decide that it is time to get Joe’s way of hunting banned, the final chapter.
“Bob, uh, hey buddy, this is Joe. I know I helped you get rid of all those other forms of legal hunting, but now there is a move to get rid of the way I hunt.”
“Well Joe, I know. My “friends” and I are spearheading that.”
“But Bob, I thought you liked the way I hunt, that it was ok for me to do the type of hunting I do.”
“Well Joe, no, any and all types of hunting are bad, the poor defenseless animals never have a chance, and we dislike, actually hate hunters.”
“But I thought the way I hunted was “Real” hunting to you.”
“Hell Joe, it was all “ Real” hunting, but we at PETA and HSUS Hate you, but thanks for all your help, we really appreciate it.”

You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”. A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or when you hunt. They just want all hunting done away with. They use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”.

If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, and decide to pick and chose the ones you like and dislike, and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it.




Edited story, same point.
 
"The Alberta, American Redfrog."

Oh! now I get what you are trying to say. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

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Great point!!! Very clever. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif Did you get one of your classmates to help you with that? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
What is the disease the Minn. deer are all having??? You have trouble with how the deer farmers are vaccinating their animals....there is no vaccination for CWD and seems no outbreak of it reported in Minn. We vaccinate to move any deer across state lines for TB (which a deer can catch) and Brucilocis which no deer has ever been found to have anywhere. Just curious what it is they have up there??? If anyone has TB in their herd , it is shut down immedeatley and a federal inspector is in your driveway the next morning to take control of the whole thing....give us some more facts , please. SM
 
Again, a dodge, nice try. Your right, I know the answer, so do you. The facts are that:

Thus far, the province has slaughtered nearly 8,000 elk on 39 game farms in an attempt to curtail the spread of the disease. Last fall, a hunter shot a diseased wild mule close to one of the infected game farms.

About 180 elk have been diagnosed with chronic wasting disease on game farms in South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Montana and Colorado. The disease even showed up in South Korea. Suspected origin: an infected game farm elk shipped from Canada in the mid-1990s.

In the past year, the state of Colorado has killed more than 3,000 game farm elk in an attempt to control the latest outbreak. The state also has embarked on an aggressive, controversial campaign to kill as many as 15,000 wild deer and elk over the next four years in hopes of reducing animal density and curtailing the spread of disease.

Not much of a threat to hunting Huh Redfrog. Pretty good research for a school kid. Here's a link on just this. You can google game farms, or disease outbreaks, ect. and pull up ton's of articals where game farms are threatening our heratage.
http://www.headwatersnews.org/p.061902.jump.html
 
I'll keep it simple for you. Since there are no game farms that have varmints on them, and that's all you hunt so far. Then you don't have the experience with hunting to be a expert on anything. I've on the other hand have hunted big game for 35 years, I've picked up just a bit more experience than you with your rodent hunting.

Get a big boy licence, elk or deer, go hunting in your state at least one year then come back with some advice.

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As Far as the DNR knows we don't have C.W.D in the state of Mn. yet, but more testing needs to be done..


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Step up testing of the brainstems of hunter-shot deer in areas where the disease is most likely to appear.
If the disease is discovered, test more deer in the area.
Shore up weaknesses in the regulation of captive herds that might spread the disease to wild deer and elk. (For example, said DNR deer research biologist Glenn DelGuidice, there are no fence regulations to prevent wild and captive animals from mixing or touching noses. Nor is it illegal to free captive white-tailed deer from game farms. Nor does the state always mandate testing for the disease.)
Provide information for hunters, meat processors, elk and deer farmers, and the general public.
"All of that obviously is going to cost some money," said DNR wildlife resource manager Ed Boggess.

Chronic wasting disease is costing several states money these days. It affects elk and white-tailed, black-tailed, and mule deer. Resembling bovine spongiform encephalopathy, so-called mad cow disease, it causes loss of weight and strength, excessive salivation, and increased drinking and urination.

Unlike mad cow disease, there is no evidence chronic wasting disease can infect humans. Nonetheless, agencies including the World Health Organization have advised people not to eat any meat or other tissue from deer or elk that appear sick.

Much of chronic wasting disease remains a mystery. Scientists don’t know what causes it, though they suspect abnormal self-replicating proteins called prions. Nor do scientists know how the disease is transmitted, though it clearly can spread from animal to animal, probably through feces, saliva, urine, or contaminated food and water.

First identified in a mule deer held in a northern Colorado wildlife research facility in 1967, chronic wasting disease spread to wild deer and elk in northeastern Colorado and southeastern Wyoming by the mid-1980s. In May 2001 it was discovered in wild deer in southwestern Nebraska. It also appeared in captive herds in the United States and Canada.

Last fall, a white-tailed deer shot in southwestern South Dakota tested positive; so did three whitetails shot just west of Madison, Wis.

How did the disease apparently leapfrog past Minnesota?

DelGuidice suspects it was most likely spread as game farms shipped elk or deer across state lines. "South Dakota was a hot spot for chronic wasting disease in captive elk facilities," he said. "My best guess is that this was introduced through captive animals." The disease could spread from captive animals to wild, DelGuidice said. Further testing and investigation in Wisconsin might answer the question of how it got there.

It is possible the disease may have spread naturally through Minnesota eastward to Wisconsin, DelGuidice said. Even where the disease is prevalent, the infection rate is usually less than 5 percent. Minnesota has tested about 55 wild deer; additional testing will be required to determine if chronic wasting disease is in Minnesota.

The disease could arrive in Minnesota by either of those means. Perhaps it already has. "I can’t say that’s impossible," DelGuidice said. "The more we test, the more confident we’ll feel we don’t have it. Or we’ll know we have it."




The deer that are being shot in northern Mn. Have tested positive for Bovine TB. Supposeitly some cattle and deer have been infected with it....... Cattle are required by law to be vaccsanated for TB and tested before they cross state borders and also documented. For big-game animals brought into the state the laws are a little laxed, but the DNR is makeing changes to the inportation laws to help stop these infected animals from being brought into the state...
 
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