God or Evolution

God made the earth and all of the animals, then he created man. Then he greated woman. they had 2 sons: Cain and Abel. they took two wives and had children.


Where did the wives come from? Out of town?Was it incest? That part was always fuzzy to me.
 
Hang on a second Gregg. I never called you a fool specifically, or anyone else for that matter. If you identified with my statement, I apologize to you for that. Your still are putting time constraints on God which he does not have. I truly believe it is ridiculous to think this planet is 6000 years old and I challenge you to find a Geologist, who is also a christian man, who agrees with you. You can believe in God however you want Gregg and even interpret the bible however you want. I believe in God and his word wholeheartedly, I just dont believe that the T Rex walked the planet 6000 years ago.
 
I asked God last night to give me something to contribute to this thread and this was in my mail box this morning. I didn't check the source but I trust Who sent it.


Evil, Cold, Darkness


A professor at a well known institution of higher learning challenged
his students with this question. "Did God create everything that
exists?"

A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!"

"God created everything?" The professor asked.

"Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created
evil. And, since evil exists, and according to the principal that our
works define who we are, then we can assume God is evil."

But then another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a
question professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never
been cold?"

The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to
the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of
heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or
transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or
transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 F) is the total absence of heat;
and all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that
temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe
how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not
exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can
study, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break
white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each
color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break
into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a
certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this
correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when
there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I have already
said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily examples of man's
inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence
everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but
evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it
does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is
just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe
the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what
happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's
like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that
comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down. The young man's name -- Albert Einstein

 
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WOW, What a mixed bag of opinions and rightly so. I couldnt read every single post in this thread. Ive heard it all so many times ago. Ive done various reading on both topics, along with the ol boobtube for my info. I neither beleive in either, nor do I disbelieve. There is not enough scientific proof to lead me either way. So here is what I do; Reach way deep into my pocket and pull out a coin. Flip it as far into the air as I can and call it out loud. That is about as accurate as anybody could be. Some would say if god did exist that the coin would land as such. (doesnt work mind you)

Ill take my chances, live my life to the fullest. I will do with my body, mind, spirit as I seem fit. I will drink soda and coffee, get tattoo's, drink alcoholic beverages, skydive, scubadive, etc. I wouldnt want to miss out on any life experiences to follow the "trendy" religions. Ill take my chances in life, and will see in the "after life".
 
Albert sure is a swift one isn't he (if that is in fact an Einstein quote)? However, the anology is not entirely accurate. One does not have to know God, nor take the idea of the Christian God to heart, to recognize and avoid evil. The concepts of good (God?) and evil (Devil?) are not restricted to Christianity, or any religion for that matter. I'm not a religious man, yet I recognize evil, just like I recognize cold and darkness. The analogy should only refer to "the absence of good" (like the absence of light or heat) rather than the absence of God. It doesn't take God's love to make one good, nor does it take his hatred or absence to make one evil. As I said, I'm not religious, but I'm one of the most moral (by our relative Christian society's standards) people I know - far more moral than most "religious" folks I grew up with and know today.
 
I cant be bothered to read through all this post, honestly.I love the Lord, my God, as i love my own father.He listen,s and hears my prayers, when i truly need him, and he also listens when i dont.I have always thought, that a man without faith, has nothing to look forward to, but that is his choice, and i respect him for it, wholeheartedly. Just as i respect the Muslim, and the Jew, because, basically, their God , and mine, are the same.
 
I would say both 'creationism' and evolution are philosophies. Neither view can be proven or disproven. Their only relevance is within our minds, to how we view things, how we live, and what decisions we make.

But, I would say these philosophies are in conflict with each other and eventually one will supercede the other. It looks to me like evolution is in decline. It is not being sustained as a philosophy due to lack of evidence and due to its failure to give many people what they need. Creationism is growing and will continue to grow because it is a superiour philosophy.

It could also be argued that the more true it is the better will a philosphy stand the test of time. There are many failed philosophies. Communism is one. Communism could only be proven to be false by experience, because experience shows people need freedom rather than government control. Communism could not be disproven by argument.

Evolution will also be discarded as a philsophy within a generation for the same reasons.
 
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(Coal has already formed at the bottom of Spirit Lake from the Mt. St. Helens eruption)


Having been over to St. Helens a few times this has sparked my interest. I have to admit I’m a little skeptical and would like to see more information. Do you have a link to this information? Where did you hear it?
 
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I would say both 'creationism' and evolution are philosophies. Neither view can be proven or disproven. Their only relevance is within our minds, to how we view things, how we live, and what decisions we make.

But, I would say these philosophies are in conflict with each other and eventually one will supercede the other. It looks to me like evolution is in decline. It is not being sustained as a philosophy due to lack of evidence and due to its failure to give many people what they need. Creationism is growing and will continue to grow because it is a superiour philosophy.

It could also be argued that the more true it is the better will a philosphy stand the test of time. There are many failed philosophies. Communism is one. Communism could only be proven to be false by experience, because experience shows people need freedom rather than government control. Communism could not be disproven by argument.

Evolution will also be discarded as a philsophy within a generation for the same reasons.





That is not entirely true,the roots of communism had no concept of government control, but rather that nobodies job was elevated over another persons job,and everybody should be treated equally.The government was corrupt and caused the fall, not the idealism. Our country in the last 60 years, but especially the last 5 years has also seen a huge increase in government control and if it continues, democracy will also fail. Not because of the ideals our country was founded on, which I strongly support, but by greed and corruption,which is present in every governing body.

As far as evolution being discarded, it will not be discarded, it will evolve. The only way it will be abandoned is if we have the proverbial apocolypse, at which time all of this thread will be a moot point.
 
You proved my point Denjahn. Communism and evolution go hand in hand. You are defending both. Evolution is the state religion of communism. Practically the only people who still have faith in communism are Fidel Castro, the North Koreans government and a bunch of university professors. In a few decades evolution will only be another failed philosophy still clung to by a few professors in our universities. Academically it is withering on the vine now due to a lack of new evidence and ideas to keep it alive.
 
I am not defending either, I am just stating that you are giving them credit for something that has nothing to do with their core foundation. If you look at the bible and break down the whole life of Jesus as is written, his lifestyle was a lot more communal than capitalistic. If you feel I am incorrect in that statement, you show me where he ever preached about something capitalistic like gaining wealth at the expense of others and I will come up with some things like when he broke the bread and soon there was enough to feed everyone and that he made shure everyone was fed. If he were a pure capitalist, the ones with the bread would have eaten and the rest would have went hungry. I am ready when you are.
 
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Communism and evolution go hand in hand. You are defending both. Evolution is the state religion of communism.


You're comparing apples to oranges here. It's difficult to see where you are going with this line of reasoning. Are you trying to say that people who see evolution as a scientific fact are communists?
 
Now you are arguing that communism is Christ-like and Capitalism is not. If we look at history we know that godless anti-christian communist governments adopt the philosopy of communism (which according to you is Christ-like). And nations that are pro-Christian (more or less) adopt the philosophy of Capitalism (which you say is UnChrist-like). You have just helped me prove my other point - that this disagreement cannot be settled by argument, because it is illogical.

But communism has failed on all levels - from the empire of the Soviet Union to the level of a bunch of hippies living communally in the back woods. It always ends badly and it takes the actual experience to prove it will not work.
 
I'd never made the association before, but Christ did practice communal respect. He gave freely of what he had and expected others to do the same. He drove the "monery changers" from the Temple because they were making a profit off of the worshipers.

But His commune-ism and the philosophy of Marxist Communism have different agendas, and very little in common outside of nomenclature. But if it wasn't for these kinds of intellectual discussions, I might never have made the the connection.
 
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Now you are arguing that communism is Christ-like and Capitalism is not. If we look at history we know that godless anti-christian communist governments adopt the philosopy of communism (which according to you is Christ-like). And nations that are pro-Christian (more or less) adopt the philosophy of Capitalism (which you say is UnChrist-like).

Did you know that marx was born Jewish but converted to Christianity? He was a Lutheran.If you look closely you will see that religion has had quite and evolution itself.


Nasa

I wholly agree with you about the lack of similarity between Jesus and Marx. Jesus was someone who led by example. He led a good and humble life and by those actions taught us how to live ours.I know his example has influenced me. Marx was a philosopher and was far more political in nature. His life and the way he lived are not what he is remembered for.
 
It is obviously possible to be Christian and still accept evolution as a valid theory. Pope Paul, for one, when asked specifically about evolution and the possibility of extra-terrestrial life, said he found no conflict between science and religion.

The perceived "conflict" arises primarily among that small percentage of Christians who believe that Genesis (and the entire Bible), as translated into english, is exactly literal, meaning that the universe can only be 6500YRS old.

On the other hand, many Christian scholars disagree as to the "6 days of creation", as just one example. Here's a (Christian) site examining the meaning of the Hebrew word "yowm" which was translated in english to mean "day".

http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/index.html

The "Great Flood" story in Genesis is generally accepted to be a later version of a poem from the Epic of Gilgamesh, perhaps the oldest written story in existence.

http://alexm.here.ru/mirrors/www.enteract.com/jwalz/Eliade/073.html

Many (Christians) have no problem accepting scientific evidence, and still believing that the Bible is essential Truth.
 
No point in debating with ya'll. I'll still believe the same as I have been doing for a few years now. I also don't want to be a stumbling block for someone seeking the truth.
By putting scripture down, it won't be my opinion. I will also put scripture that will say why we can't logically explain our beliefs or differences. God bless each of you.

Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Romans 8:4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

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nmleon........thank you. You said very well what I was trying to say and I obviously offended Gregg in my attempt. It was not my intention to offend anyone but I agree with nmleon.
 
Wyosongdog, use to live in Gillette.....ever hear of it? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Anyway, I don't believe you have offended Greg. I believe everyone has just agreed to disagree.

Jesus Christ himself did not push Himself on people. He said the way it was and you either believed it or not.
Freewill......we all have it.

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