Snow-mobiler kills attacking MOOSE with his GLOCK!
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I may wrong but I'm guessing that few of you have experience riding a sled in the woods. There is no way I can tell for sure in that video but the snow looks deep and soft, if that is the case he could have easily gotten bogged down and been a sitting duck for that moose. I have ridden enough to know first hand they are not hard to get stuck
Remingtonman
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Some good eating moose meat!
Remingtonman
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Originally Posted By: RedfrogWOW!!!! |I have to go along with Dirty Dog and J Mark.
I have shot more moose than most of you have even seen. During over 50 years of hunting, I have had more than one close up and personal encounter with these swamp donkeys. they are big and and stupid and can be dangerous. they will charge anything from a highway rig to a pickup or a train because they want to.
Most of the time when we encounter them they move off. When they don't the SOP is to let them know you are not a moose especially during the rut, if it is a bull.Yelling, waving your arms and revving your truck are all things that work to scare a moose off. The problem is they don't work all the time.
It looks to me like this guy happened onto a moose on his snowmobile track. He tried to scare it off, and instead it attacked him. It did not false charge, it attacked him and jumped onto his sled trying to strike him with it's hooves. It ran off , but turned for another attack. He drew his firearm and fired. I'm impressed that he hit the moose and secondly that he knocked it down. Excellent shooting under pressure.
Next for you people who think the moose is lying there flailing around suffering, I doubt all the animals you've ever shot have hit the ground DRT without flailing around. Can some one tell me how many times they have seen a coyote do the 'death spin'?
This animal is a heck of a lot bigger than a coyote. They do not hit the ground dead. They will thrash for a few minutes even when shot in the heart or the neck. That's not speculation , that's a fact. I'll bet that moose was dead within a few minutes. If not, I fail to see the problem. He wasn't hunting he was stopping a deadly attack. Once the threat was over he moved away from the situation.What he did then is pure speculation.
For those who think reverse is a good idea. Have you ever used reverse on a sled? How fast do you think he could have backed up down the trail while the moose was charging? What about the sled behind him.
For those who think he should have sat there and done nothing except wait till the moose left, I can give you an educated guess that the moose was not going to leave, he was going to charge.
You say the guy had choices, but so did the moose.Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.
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I have shot more moose than most of you have even seen. During over 50 years of hunting, I have had more than one close up and personal encounter with these swamp donkeys. they are big and and stupid and can be dangerous. they will charge anything from a highway rig to a pickup or a train because they want to.
Most of the time when we encounter them they move off. When they don't the SOP is to let them know you are not a moose especially during the rut, if it is a bull.Yelling, waving your arms and revving your truck are all things that work to scare a moose off. The problem is they don't work all the time.
It looks to me like this guy happened onto a moose on his snowmobile track. He tried to scare it off, and instead it attacked him. It did not false charge, it attacked him and jumped onto his sled trying to strike him with it's hooves. It ran off , but turned for another attack. He drew his firearm and fired. I'm impressed that he hit the moose and secondly that he knocked it down. Excellent shooting under pressure.
Next for you people who think the moose is lying there flailing around suffering, I doubt all the animals you've ever shot have hit the ground DRT without flailing around. Can some one tell me how many times they have seen a coyote do the 'death spin'?
This animal is a heck of a lot bigger than a coyote. They do not hit the ground dead. They will thrash for a few minutes even when shot in the heart or the neck. That's not speculation , that's a fact. I'll bet that moose was dead within a few minutes. If not, I fail to see the problem. He wasn't hunting he was stopping a deadly attack. Once the threat was over he moved away from the situation.What he did then is pure speculation.
For those who think reverse is a good idea. Have you ever used reverse on a sled? How fast do you think he could have backed up down the trail while the moose was charging? What about the sled behind him.
For those who think he should have sat there and done nothing except wait till the moose left, I can give you an educated guess that the moose was not going to leave, he was going to charge.
You say the guy had choices, but so did the moose.Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.
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It absolutely amazes me how many on here are quick to judge. Those that are judging......does your perspective change if it's a wolf? A bear in summer time while on a motorcycle? A mountain lion? If so, you're a hypocrite.
Are some on here so naive to think a moose can’t break bones, knock somebody out, or even kill them?
Do you think a hospital is right around the corner if things go south for these snowmobilers?
Could the snowmobiler have been more patient? Probably. Would it have changed the outcome? Maybe.....maybe not. We’ll never know.
Would this guy saved himself a lot of headaches by not posting this video. I’m sure.
Should he have gone back and made sure the moose was dispatched completely? It would have been nice.
Was he required to do it given the situation? Probably not.
I'm sure this guy didn’t set up to record just this incident. He probably has a GoPro camera like half snowmobilers out there and was just recording his trip.
Do people enjoy seeing animals hurt and suffering? No, and if you do you probably need counseling. But……One thing is for sure, I'm not orphaning my children because I didn't want to react to a moose kicking the crap out of me and my sled.
Numerous people on here are clueless about what you can and can't do with a snowmobile. Half of them don't have reverse or would sink down if they did have reverse in that kind of snow. The other half of them would probably get stuck going off trail while attempting to go around that moose. That would have made for a cluster!
Do any of you nay sayers stop for half a second and put yourself in that situation before you open up your criticizing remarks?
Are some on here so naive to think a moose can’t break bones, knock somebody out, or even kill them?
Do you think a hospital is right around the corner if things go south for these snowmobilers?
Could the snowmobiler have been more patient? Probably. Would it have changed the outcome? Maybe.....maybe not. We’ll never know.
Would this guy saved himself a lot of headaches by not posting this video. I’m sure.
Should he have gone back and made sure the moose was dispatched completely? It would have been nice.
Was he required to do it given the situation? Probably not.
I'm sure this guy didn’t set up to record just this incident. He probably has a GoPro camera like half snowmobilers out there and was just recording his trip.
Do people enjoy seeing animals hurt and suffering? No, and if you do you probably need counseling. But……One thing is for sure, I'm not orphaning my children because I didn't want to react to a moose kicking the crap out of me and my sled.
Numerous people on here are clueless about what you can and can't do with a snowmobile. Half of them don't have reverse or would sink down if they did have reverse in that kind of snow. The other half of them would probably get stuck going off trail while attempting to go around that moose. That would have made for a cluster!
Do any of you nay sayers stop for half a second and put yourself in that situation before you open up your criticizing remarks?
I don't agree with anything anyone posted as a positive about this moose killing.
IMO he could of done more to alleviate wantonly killing the moose.
IMO the idiot on the snowmobile could of backed off instead of pressuring the moose to make a stand so he could shoot it because it was in his way.
All this does is make honest hunters look like we are all just out to kill animals for fun and adds to the antis bucket of shooters stupidity.
That is all.
IMO he could of done more to alleviate wantonly killing the moose.
IMO the idiot on the snowmobile could of backed off instead of pressuring the moose to make a stand so he could shoot it because it was in his way.
All this does is make honest hunters look like we are all just out to kill animals for fun and adds to the antis bucket of shooters stupidity.
That is all.
ARCOREY
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Lets put this in a perspective most anyone can understand. I'm riding my ATV with a GoPro on my helmet and have a Glock on my side. No problem so far. I open a gate into a pasture where an Angus bull resides. This is his territory, just like the moose. I have the option as noted by the alternate tracks in the video going left about 3 seconds into the footage to avoid confrontation or revving my engine to anger the animal. I decide to yell, stand up, and become the aggressor even though the moose/bull was standing its ground before I encroached. After being attacked for my aggression in the moose's/bulls home territory, I draw a pistol that I deserve to carry, and shoot the moose/bull wounding it with an insufficient round for such an animal in a spray and pray method. I then retreat within feet of the wounded animal recording video of the event and do nothing to end the animals suffering although the threat has been somewhat neutralized. Finally I post the stupidity for the world to see? In my scenario, I owe a farmer over $1000 for my ignorance. Am I missing something? Are the tracks to the left not visible to anybody else about 3 seconds in? Could the warning shot have not been 90 degrees to the animal in the air or in the snow. When bluffed on the second charge, would you not have decided to take action? Claiming an animal of this magnitude died within minutes of taking a range of spray and pray rounds from a defensive handgun barely able to subdue a human is pure ignorance. Sugar coat it any way you want, a Glock is not likely to quickly subdue an adult moose without a well placed shot to the cranial vault. I don't care how much experience you have with them or what country you live in, 100lb animals can withstand that much abuse. Stupid is stupid and this falls under the rule, if you feel threatened, shoot, shovel, and shut up. Heavy emphasis on the latter. For me, I'd have just sit and watched or taken the tracks to the left.
I could agree with most of what you say.Knowing moose the way I do I probably would of stayed way back and if possible taken a different rout.This guy made a mistake in his approach but then was pretty much screwed.As to weather he went back to finish the deed we dont know.As for posting the video on line,let this be a reminder that every word you post on predator masters is out there for the world to read and see.I did a general search on google and was shocked to see a post I had made on predator masters pop as a choice in the long column.I realized that the web is one continual link and everything you post is stored for the world forever.
DiRTY DOG
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Originally Posted By: ARCOREYI'm riding my ATV... I open a gate into a pasture where an Angus bull resides. This is his territory, just like the moose.
The great outdoors does NOT belong to the moose. Humans have every right to be outdoors and to defend themselves from attacking wild animals.
Your angry bull in a pen analogy doesn't work here.
The Glock (rumored to be a 10mm) looked pretty dang effective to me. Spray n pray? Not! That moose dropped pretty quick.
The issues associated with backing up in a snowmobile has already been addressed here by experienced riders. Same with taking less groomed or un-groomed side tracks in soft snow.
You don't know whether or not he returned to "finish off" the animal or if it died on it's own.
Etc...
The great outdoors does NOT belong to the moose. Humans have every right to be outdoors and to defend themselves from attacking wild animals.
Your angry bull in a pen analogy doesn't work here.
The Glock (rumored to be a 10mm) looked pretty dang effective to me. Spray n pray? Not! That moose dropped pretty quick.
The issues associated with backing up in a snowmobile has already been addressed here by experienced riders. Same with taking less groomed or un-groomed side tracks in soft snow.
You don't know whether or not he returned to "finish off" the animal or if it died on it's own.
Etc...
GC
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From what I understand the incident is being investigated by the wildlife agency where this occurred. A statement was made about the investigation centering on harassing wildlife with a motor vehicle. From what I have read is that a lot of very experienced western US and Alaskan outdoorsmen that have extensive time around moose feel the incident was avoidable and unnecessary. You may have the temerity of a different opinion.
Originally Posted By: GCFrom what I understand the incident is being investigated by the wildlife agency where this occurred. A statement was made about the investigation centering on harassing wildlife with a motor vehicle. From what I have read is that a lot of very experienced western US and Alaskan outdoorsmen that have extensive time around moose feel the incident was avoidable and unnecessary. You may have the temerity of a different opinion.
I would be interested in seeing what this investigation concludes.
I would be interested in seeing what this investigation concludes.
GC
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Originally Posted By: Stu FarishOriginally Posted By: GCFrom what I understand the incident is being investigated by the wildlife agency where this occurred. A statement was made about the investigation centering on harassing wildlife with a motor vehicle. From what I have read is that a lot of very experienced western US and Alaskan outdoorsmen that have extensive time around moose feel the incident was avoidable and unnecessary. You may have the temerity of a different opinion.
I would be interested in seeing what this investigation concludes.
Agreed... Who knows how it will shake out in the end.
I would be interested in seeing what this investigation concludes.
Agreed... Who knows how it will shake out in the end.