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"So how many people do you want to rob and kill to keep gas in your tank? Where do you plan on stopping? After you kill a clerk robbing a gas station?"

Hey Rimmy, I knew you'd show up eventually. I'll indulge you. Let's drill the Gulf of Mexico and ANWAR for the gazillion barrels of oil that are there and tell the Arabs to take a carpet ride. Oh that's right, you liberals are against that too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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Dang, I get too busy to post much anymore and the trolls start comin' in! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif But Dawg, you DO own this thread!!

I can agree on a couple points-mainly about us losing our rights and the New World Order. Those two things are real and will gain momentum. But that's pretty much where it ends!

I say, if Iran wants nukes..let 'em have 'em! I'm sure we have a few we can drop on 'em. While we're at it, I think we need to go ahead and declare Iraq a COLONY and start the oil wells pumping. AN AR-15 IN ONE HAND, DRILLBIT COLLAR IN THE OTHER!

So Ron Paul wants to pull out of Iraq now? No wonder I've never paid much attention to him! That shortsightedness will lead to the terrorists coming HERE to kill Americans. Yep...they'll come HERE to KILL Americans. The thing most liberals (and trolls especially) don't understand is that these people are not fighting a defensive war against the big, bad, greedy Americans..they want to kill us, and ALL 'westerners'. This battle has been off and on throughout modern history. The difference is that we now have the military camped out in THIER BACKYARD, instead of us being sitting ducks waiting for the next 9-11. WAIT A MINUTE-do trolls and liberals still think we flew planes into our own towers? Face it, the Muslims want to take over the world, have never made any bones about it, and neither has the Koran when it says to convert or kill. All you have to do is take a look at what's happening in England right now for a good example of a much more subtle, yet still a repeat of the history of the muslims trying to take over Europe.

So the next thing I think...BRING BACK THE CRUSADES! Do trolls and liberals know why the crusades really happened? Probably not. They can't fathom that anybody that opposes American/Western ideals NOW might have ALWAYS BEEN trying to undermine, subvert, and use force when and where they thought they might win. Nope. Complete lack of understanding world history, human nature, AND the fact that EVIL and GOOD both are very real and the battle between the two WILL continue till GOD ends that battle ONCE AND FOR ALL. Unfortunately, there are those who are easily decieved...TROLLS AND LIBERALS!



Ok, so if these terrorists are going to come here and kill us(once again the government scare tactics seem to be working). Dont you think we should have our soilders here to protect us? Maybe we should work on securing our borders. Also your whole crusade thing is quite funny, i dont really think you understand what happened, nice try though. You know i personally think christians are trying to do exactly what you say muslims are doing. Hey, if we need to drill in the gulf, i say go for it. I dont think we should go drill in alaska though. I personally would like alaska to keep its "last frontier" name.
 
"Ok, so if these terrorists are going to come here and kill us"

No, that is not the intelligent post I was hoping for. Sometimes I just can't help myself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif JWP, ever hear of September 11th, 2001? They even covered it on FOX News Channel. Nineteen Islamic whackjobs came HERE and killed 2900+ U.S. citizens HERE. Ron Paul almost forgot, as the only time he mentions that day it is in the same breath as it being an inside job orchestrated by Bush and his oil buddies. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif But then that must be true, 'cause Bush is just using it for "government scare tactics." Now I know the whole unfortunate thing could have been avoided it if we hadn't bullied them into it, but it happened anyway.

"You know i personally think christians are trying to do exactly what you say muslims are doing."

Yeah, just the other day I saw on CNN where the TSA caught a group of Baptists who tried to smuggle boxcutters in their Bibles aboard a plane in order to bring it down. FOX News swept the whole thing under the rug. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Man, why don't quit while you're behind because the way you're going you're only going to get errr..behinder? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Do you realize that all of ANWAR can be drilled by disturbing only 1/10 of 1% of that entire moonscape?
 
I dont believe Ron Paul thinks it was an inside job actually. I am sorry, i didnt know we were in a competition....I thought you were expressing your views, and i was expressing mine. I am ok if you think the way you think, you are only going to aid in this countries demise. If you can live with that, thats your choice. I am voting for the most conservative conservative. Now if you want to be childish, i do believe i owned your [beeep] with your little 13 point list.
 
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I dont believe Ron Paul thinks it was an inside job actually.



Perhaps he doesn't. He absolutely panders the fringe kook crowd that does believe it was an inside job. I've seen him quoted saying the American people aren't getting the truth on what happened on September 11th or some such blather. This article accurately describes "The Ron Paul Revolution" and just how nutty the bulk of his supporters are.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/is_ron_paul_pandering_to_the_p.html
 
Sorry Rimmy, that may have been ONE aim of the Crusades, but a very big reason they happened was due to the muslims coming into Europe and doing exactly what they are doing now. I gave a simplistic view of the crusades, and with all 'cleansings', wars, etc., there are many factors that come into play. The fact that the Crusades were a power grab by the Catholic church is not exactly relevant to the point I was trying to make. Libs like yourself always try to put words in people's mouths! To make it easy for you to understand I'll just say that we need draw a 'line' when a muslim community wants to run ITSELF via Sharia law and tell them NO. If they spout anti western rhetoric-KICK THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY, etc. etc. That, and more, is happening in Europe as well as right here in the USA. So, an ethnic cleansing you might call it. Does that tickle your little pink cockles now?

Oil-wise my take is this. We're already in Iraq, so that much is established. The various factions don't appear to be able to agree which makes me think that they can't rule themselves. SO. We might as well make the decision for them, which may not give them the power they want, but would give them stability and prosperity, that could be financed by the oil money, which at the same time could benefit us. We'll still need weapons to KILL the douchebags who resist. Sorry Rimmy but usually in war the winner gets the good stuff.

OR we could go another route with oil.. Open ANWAR and build some new refineries!! OH WAIT-we'd still have those pesky terrorists to deal with though..

Prolly won't have time to check this thread for a week or two, maybe during that time I'll become more tolerant and forgiving while those that would want to do us harm rally and plan of how to exploit our soft-sided, weak-minded emotional psyche.
 
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Let's drill the Gulf of Mexico and ANWAR for the gazillion barrels of oil that are there and tell the Arabs to take a carpet ride.


Give me another shot and beer; I’ll quit drinking tomorrow. Give me another carton of cigarettes; I’ll quit smoking tomorrow. Let me drill ANWAR; I’ll quit oil tomorrow.
The estimate for ANWAR is 5 to 10 BBO. Drilling there is not an answer; it will only postpone the problem. We had a real wake up call in the 70’s but we kept hitting the snooze button. What guarantees do we have that this won’t be the case this time around?
 
Rimmy, I had in mind to come in here today-I'M ACTUALLY MAKING TIME TO POST THIS-and apologize a wee bit for my original 'trollish' post. I answered trollism with trollism, but the things I said in the second are more in line with my thoughts.

BUT. HOWEVER. AN EXCEPTION has occurred. I read your last post. You must be incredibly naive to think that we could just flip a switch and move to an alternate energy source!! I really don't want to attack you personally, but a statement like that would make it very difficult not to call someone an idiot to thier face. I'm not really trying to bait you here actually, I just can't believe you could be so small-minded.

We're gonna need oil for QUITE SOME TIME to come! If science gave us the perfect solution TOMORROW, it would still take years to implement nationwide, industrywide, etc. It's not about the consumers and our evil SUV's, it's about the trucking industry, the construction industry, our INRASTRUCTURE. I can run biodiesel in my F350 (which is one reason I'm taking time off for the next 2 weeks) but even that is a temporary solution if you put it in the same light as you seem to think ANWAR and the Gulf would be.

I think you're probably smarter than you're coming across here! I know I say some crazy things when I get fired up, so maybe you're just fired up right now and not thinking? Back away from the kool-aid pitcher and THINK..
 
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I read your last post. You must be incredibly naive to think that we could just flip a switch and move to an alternate energy source!!
We're gonna need oil for QUITE SOME TIME to come! If science gave us the perfect solution TOMORROW.


What you say here is true. What I base my answer on is the fact that during and just after the oil embargo we were going all out looking for sources of alternative energy. After a couple of years we dropped the ball. Had we kept after it we could have greatly reduced the amount of Middle East oil we use now. You might say that this was a past mistake and what’s done is done. Maybe so but what guaranties do we have that it won’t be the same thing over again.
 
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That is A LOT of tinfoil hats. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif




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What I base my answer on is the fact that during and just after the oil embargo we were going all out looking for sources of alternative energy. After a couple of years we dropped the ball. Had we kept after it we could have greatly reduced the amount of Middle East oil we use now. You might say that this was a past mistake and what’s done is done. Maybe so but what guaranties do we have that it won’t be the same thing over again.



We don't have guarentees. What we do have is available sources of oil. We don't have the political will to go get it, because of the environutcases and other leftists who hate (American) capitalism. We truly don't know how much is in either location, but the world is awash in the stuff. As technology increases, more will be found, ways to extract it will become more efficient and environmentally friendly, and alternative sources of energy can be developed at the same time. The real issue is how much we import from countries that are not friendly to us. That is a huge mistake IMO. Domestic sources of oil will not only take away leverage from Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Mexico, but the worldwide price will drop significantly.
 
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We don't have guarentees. What we do have is available sources of oil. We don't have the political will to go get it, because of the environutcases and other leftists who hate (American) capitalism.



Why do you find it necessary to belittle anyone who disagrees with your view? Your attempt to dismiss anyone who opposes drilling in ANWAR as a nutcase or a hater of capitalism makes me think that you have a weak argument in favor of it. Is it that difficult for you to realize that there are legitimate reasons to oppose drilling in ANWAR?

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We truly don't know how much is in either location, but the world is awash in the stuff.



The estimate on ANWAR
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm
5.7 to 10.3 Billion Barrels of Oil
If the world is awash in oil why drill in ANWAR?
Even it they started drilling in ANWAR today, how many years will it take to see results?
 
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"So how many people do you want to rob and kill to keep gas in your tank? Where do you plan on stopping? After you kill a clerk robbing a gas station?"

Hey Rimmy, I knew you'd show up eventually. I'll indulge you. Let's drill the Gulf of Mexico and ANWAR for the gazillion barrels of oil that are there and tell the Arabs to take a carpet ride. Oh that's right, you liberals are against that too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif


So do you think that it’s all right for the US to make Iraq a colony and take their oil? Is not being allowed to drill in ANWAR your justification for this? And are you OK with nuking Iran? Should millions die because their leader is an annoying idiot? You seem to think that only a liberal would ask these questions. So if you’re not a liberal does that mean you are OK with this line of thinking? I hope that most independents and conservatives would have issues with this line of thought.
 
Tin Foil hats? So people are crazy for trying to help a cause that they believe in? Atleast Ron Paul supporters are genuine.
 
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We don't have guarentees. What we do have is available sources of oil. We don't have the political will to go get it, because of the environutcases and other leftists who hate (American) capitalism.



Why do you find it necessary to belittle anyone who disagrees with your view? Your attempt to dismiss anyone who opposes drilling in ANWAR as a nutcase or a hater of capitalism makes me think that you have a weak argument in favor of it. Is it that difficult for you to realize that there are legitimate reasons to oppose drilling in ANWAR?

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We truly don't know how much is in either location, but the world is awash in the stuff.






Who did I belittle? Anti-capitalist environmentalists lead the charge against drilling ANWAR. My memory is long enough to recall the "Bush wants to destroy the pristine tundra just to enrich his oil buddies." tripe. I haven't heard any legitimate reasons for not drilling ANWAR. It certainly isn't on environmental grounds. Our footprint there would be approx. 1900 acres. That's to drill the whole place! No Eskimos displaced, no orchids wiped out. The place is a barren moonscape. The same whackos opposed building the Alaska Pipeline. "The caribou can't migrate!" they screamed. The pipeline was built off the ground, the caribou can still migrate, the heat generated from the flow of oil increased the amount off lichen for them to eat and the herd's population exploded. The estimate you provided was just that-an estimate. There could be more. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Even at the lower end that is no small amount. The reason to drill there is because it is there and it is OUR's for the taking. Same goes for the Gulf. Private companies would do the drilling, so let the free markets decide where when and how, or even if it's worth it, not a bunch of bunny huggers. It would take several years to see results, but how many years have we wasted on the debate?
 
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"So how many people do you want to rob and kill to keep gas in your tank? Where do you plan on stopping? After you kill a clerk robbing a gas station?"

Hey Rimmy, I knew you'd show up eventually. I'll indulge you. Let's drill the Gulf of Mexico and ANWAR for the gazillion barrels of oil that are there and tell the Arabs to take a carpet ride. Oh that's right, you liberals are against that too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif


So do you think that it’s all right for the US to make Iraq a colony and take their oil? Is not being allowed to drill in ANWAR your justification for this? And are you OK with nuking Iran? Should millions die because their leader is an annoying idiot? You seem to think that only a liberal would ask these questions. So if you’re not a liberal does that mean you are OK with this line of thinking? I hope that most independents and conservatives would have issues with this line of thought.



No, I don't think Iraq should be our colony. It's not now nor will it ever be. Stabilization there would certainly increase exports and also stabilize oil prices somewhat. Neither would be achieved with a surrender engineered by the Democrats. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I never said we should nuke Iran. I am in favor of using whatever military option necessary to take out their nuclear program. All diplomatic avenues have been exhausted IMO and the longer we wait the more difficult the military mission would be. That was a real pathetic attempt at putting words in my mouth BTW.
 
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Tin Foil hats? So people are crazy for trying to help a cause that they believe in? Atleast Ron Paul supporters are genuine.




Yeah, the majority of them are a genuine bizarre collection of white supremacists, anti Semites, 9/11 truthers and global anarchists. You decide for yourself whether you're in that majority. There are some fine people that support him, and that's their right to do so. At least until the NWO takes over and sends them all to reeducation camps.
 
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I never said we should nuke Iran..... That was a real pathetic attempt at putting words in my mouth BTW.


I was asking if you agreed with Pyledriver. I never put words into your mouth. Nice try at a sidestep though.
 
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The estimate you provided was just that-an estimate. There could be more.


And there could be less. I’ll bet it’s more accurate than your estimate of a gazillion.
 
It came across as it being implied that I supported the two notions. Where's the "sidestep"? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif No, a gazillion can't be measured, but it is understood as "a lot." Are we picking nits now?
 
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