What you don’t know about ADC

i'm not a pro but i think the adc's have exellent den dogs they go with a howl or a siren and get the pups to howl then work in on the den once the dogs are spotted at or near the den the coyotes will try to run them out and the adc man shoots the adalts as they come in close then they pups are taken out of the den and dispatched.
a area with a den is deffended agenced all other coyotes or dogs . if the alfa coyotes are not killing sheep they will be the only coyotes in that area aside from a female from last years litter who you heard called the baby sitter.
if you remove the non killing pair another pair will move in and might start killing lambs.
this i think is why they are so attament about not killing the non threating alfas or other coyotes in the vicinaty of sheep.
at least you can get to know what to expect about coyotes that are already there. new ones moving in might be stock killers
 
starting soon the pups will start going hunting with the female and thens when it gets fun bring in the female and get her then you can bring the pups back with a coyote distress.
just like all calling though it only works sometimes.
i have had it work for one female and three pups never saw the male.
 
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PS Rich ,did I mention it smells?



Glenn, somethings can stand alone and just not need mentioning. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
BTW, think conditioned reflex, I use that stuff on every stand, every weekend, and the smell has become associated with so many great times that I automatically smile when I smell it. Everyone else tries not to retch. lol.
Weasel and Vic, thank you guys for the kidness, I really am touched.
Greenside, I know and understand exactly what you are saying. I was on the old Shadetree and then Posse Country and Predator Masters from the first day. I've seen some great ones come and go. There are still some great ones that contribute here, but I fear that two or three may go the way of the past ones. What a loss that would be.
When someone forms a negative preconception of one of us they will often read into that persons posts something that was not intended because their negative opinion of that person influences their perception. I was bigtime guilty of this several years ago when Vic and I were constantly at each others throats. We were as bad as alley cats. After I met Vic and spent a couple of days with him I was absolutely amazed at how much I liked the guy and how much I looked forward to visiting with him again. Out of curiosity I looked at a lot of his old posts with an open and objective mind and was amazed at how I had changed the intent of his contributions with my negative preconception. The fault was mine.
I've hunted with Cal Taylor, this guy is the real deal. He is a great companion, fun and interesting and full of great info that I don't know.
Try this. Think of a question you would like to ask of an experienced ADC agent or a top recreational caller with long experience and knowledge. Begin a new topic with their name Cal Taylor or Chilirojo, and ask the question. I assure you that your question will be answered with courtesy and respect, because these men will give in return what they receive.
I have also been accused of bashing some of the members. Click onto my name and in my home click onto view posts. Read my posts from the heated debates of the last month. Many of my replies were sarcastic because I respond to insults and ridicule with sarcasm. With the single exception of killing nursing mothers I do not bother anyone for his or her beliefs. I will make sarcastic remarks about those beliefs if that person insults me. Most of you would.
NEVER would I ridicule ANYONE for asking any question.
There are no stupid questions, only ignorant ones. We are all ignorant. I pester the crap out of people that know more than I with my ignorant questions.
No one should ever be hesitant to ask me or Vic or Cal any honest question. You will get an honest answer.
Read my past posts with an objective mind. I contribute what I can. I never refuse callers requests to hunt with them. I offer what I know.
Byron the moderator is making loud noises about showing me or Vic or Cal the door. He is right, this is not his house it is our house. He is one voice.
There are still the moderators of all the other forums that are clearminded men of good will. It requires a majority vote to ban any of us from the board. I'm not going anywhere.
Read my past posts.
 
Greenside:
Usually calling alone will not get all of the coyotes,
which is why the pro's use things like M44's,traps,snares
and airplanes.I generally do not have any problems with
recreational hunters but I am curious as to what types of calls they use so that I can do something different.
The difference is a recreational hunter goes out and calls
and if he does not get a coyote, no big deal. When we are
called, we have to get the coyote. Do we always get the right coyote? That is why you cut them open and even that
does not insure that you have the one doing the killing.
As one of the other guys wrote, when this board was new
there was some very qualified pros on this board and some
newer people started to tell them how to do things we these guys hade years of experience so they simply left the board
which is really to bad because they had great info.
No reason we can not all share. The answer to middletons question is the more coyotes that you see come to a call the better you get at determining if you are dealing with a male, female, dominate male or subordinate. It takes time
but isn't it fun learning.
Yote Hunter

Dan Thompson Game Calls
Pro Staff
Member National Wildlife Control Operators Association
 
now there's one that makes some sense!
well written,thanks for your healthy response some one may have picked up some useful information from that one and no one got slammed!
congrats!
 
where can a person get Craig O'Gormans animal damage control tape/DVD and would it pertain to JUST the Western states,i dont even know if there is any ADC guys on the east coast? and would this DVD be of any help to the "newbie" caller like myself here in Ohio??? and does anybody even know what it covers???
Thank you
Bob
 
Crapshoot makes the best point of all, its why I have it in my sig line, we can all sit here and skin the proverbial cat, and we might end up with 20 different answers, but in the end, there are 20 cats that got skinned. The best reason to have this website is to learn how other people do things the right way. You should not tell them your way is the best and you're an idiot for not doing it your way, at least without telling them theres a better way to do it.

And dont call folks an idiot /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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there are diplomatic ways to try and tell someone what they did was not right {opinions},some will still take offense which is fine,you have still planted the seed in their mind and after making the same mistake time and time again they may eventually realize ,"hey that guy might have been right"!!!


debates can be carried on without personal attacks and slanderous accusations!
 
Greenside and guess your right, I want to learn the right way to do something, if I have been doing it wrong. But there are good ways and bad ways to tell someone there is a better way to do it. "I know that you have been doing it that way, but heres my opinion on a technique that works better for me" sounds a lot better and has more reward than "hey dumba$$, your never gonnna kill as many yotes as me doing something that stupid!" I know thats a little overpowered example, but ya get my point.
 
Let's try to get this thread focused back on the subject.

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Usually calling alone will not get all of the coyotes



Yote hunter, of all the different methods of take at your disposal, what percentage of your time is dedicated to calling/shooting? And what are the conditions that would motivate you to use calling instead of trapping/snaring?
 
Amen guys.....let's try to keep it civil. I know I come here to learn, and enjoy the camraderie of those who are involved in the same sport...I personally detest any bickering/slandering, it is not necessary, nor is it conducive to a good learning environment. I am just a dumb old hillbilly, but seems to me if ya can't be nice, then at least be quiet. All have rights to their own opinions, and the differing therof is what makes this place so informative. In my experience, nothing works everytime, and the more things we can have in our "bag of tricks", the more consistantly sucessful we will be. So, keep 'em coming, I value each and every one of your opinions/methods and do my best to glean soemthing useful from each.....

Thanks for listening....


Joe
 
rowney

I think you know how these boards work?

Here's maybe a scenario?

A newbie comes on board and asks a question on how to do something. No big deal. He gets an answer from a member with limited experience, but he has shot a few coyote and has some pictures to prove it. Maybe another member with the same amount joins in and agrees. This thread was read by maybe 20 or 30 other members and also some new members before it dies. No problem.

Now a couple of weeks later the same question gets asked and it's answered by one of the newbies. He read the answer in the previous post and is excited to participate in the board. This new thread also gets read gets by quite a few members.

I think you catch my drift? After a period of time there might be 500, maybe more, members who know how to anwser the question. It snowballs, the answer even starts to circulate on other boards when the question is asked. All based on the answer from a relative new hunter with limited success.

Finally one day the answer gets read by some member who has been killing coyote for years. Even way before these boards were anybodys dream. He posts that answer is wrong and if a person wanted to shoot more coyote, he should do it another way.

What's the normal reaction to the new answer, when it's told to now maybe 1000 members who think they know the right answer? Heretic, heresey, unbeliever.......

After a while the people in the "know" get sick of answering the questions ,if they know they'll get shot down for being out of the mainstream. So he refuses to post anymore but does still does read the board to get a few chuckles.

I hate to say it, but that's how some boards get the reputation of beginner boards. So other than the basics, there is really no way for the general membership to expand their knowlege because they can't hold and maintain the members that really can help.

General chit-chat boards is really what becomes of them.
 
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I catch your drift greenside. Some people need to realize that there are ways to tell others they are wrong without saying "you are wrong." Those situations need to be turned in to a learning experience where suggestions are offered instead of trying to beat those folks about the head and shoulders. hunters will gain a lot more out of the situation and not get offended because they now have to defend themselves.

There are numerous people on here that are extremely knowledgable that lack the communication skills to make it a learning experience. I would guess that almost all of us have made mistakes. Those of us that get constructive criticism learn from those situations and those of us who get beat on don't gain a thing. Something else to keep in mind is that the paid hunters and nonpaid hunters both have equally beneficial knowledge to pass down to the up and comers.
 
Everyone would be wise to read Greenside's above post several times. Why? Because he is exactly right. For a whole lot of people, it becomes very hard to filter out the good advice so that they can take advantage of the good.

Guys like Cal Taylor and Wiley E have good reasons to keep certain face cards and Ace's under their hat. If they tell everyone what their "edge" is, then a whole bunch of guys start using that "edge" in the field. Coyotes learn very fast. Not all coyotes that are called end up dead. The ones that don't end up dead are now just a little bit smarter. In a matter of time, that "edge" ain't an edge anymore. I read awhile back that certain professional coyote men swear all of their students to secrecy. I wonder why? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
I hear ya loud and Clear Greenside, and I am of the opinion that this board has a lot of merit than some of the others that are out there.And your right, Some folks need to understand who their answer is coming from. It took a little while for me, but I know who to listen to on here and who is just talking to show how knowledgeable they think they are. The situtation you speak of happens way to mauch, and the only way to right itself is for some of the guys on here who know what they are doing to speak up. It just needs to be done in a better manner that what too often comes up.


Sorry NASA, we do need to get back on topic. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
Cronk!
You couldn't be more wrong buddy.
No... Wait! I meant ugly. (blatant violation of rules I know, but Hey! It's just Croink fer cryin' out loud):p

I do agree with what Greenside said. I've seen greenhorns passing along advice so many times. There was a time I would jump right in with heartfelt answers but hearing the same old scratch on the 78 gets awful old.

The big problem as I see it is when morals creep into the slideshow. The problem with morals is that they are generally misplaced. Seems to me that "How To" is always getting mixed up with "How Dare You".

I would have shown some of coyote pictures a couple weeks ago but the "tasteful" criteria for photos wasn't met due to the mange afflicted poor souls suffering so bad that they had literally scratched the meat off exposing actual bones.

Shall we re-direct this thread and ask those who place a self-imposed season on themselves whether they would take a summer dog if they knew it had mange?
 


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