whydo you hunt predators?

[beeep] i'm way to slow by the time i get done typing there's been 10 answers. better take time to practice the mavis beacon typing program my mother in-law bought my wife for college. TMI i know.
 
Be real careful with your comments starting off here, person123, you're new here and start off with a some what loaded question so you probably ought to figure on getting some guff just to check you out to see what you are about. Trolls are not welcome on anywhere; not saying you are one, just giving you an honest heads up. Now to answer your question. I kill coyotes for many reasons; depredation of livestock and wildlife, disease and population control, and because they are pretty wary and intelligent critter that is fun to match wits against. If you care to do some research on your own you can find several documented cases of coyote damage/depredation dating back several decades right up to the present. In the midwest they have become so thick in some areas that the mange has reached epidemic proportions and the coyotes have really dropped in numbers due to disease. I am going to assume you being from New York that you have never seen a mangy coyote up close. Generally they have very little or no hair and are covered in sores from constant rubbing. Most of the time the sores have become infected and stink to high heaven. Now, imagine a hairless, infected, weak coyote trying to survive even a mild Midwestern winter, let alone a bad one. They generally wind up dying of starvation or exposure; not a good way to go. However, like I said before, the information is out there, documented, so if you would like to do your own research on it you can, and won't have to listen to all of our opinions.

p.s. your intelligence sensor is way off base and needs re-calibrated.
 
Originally Posted By: Doc fur &Mr.hideWell this looks like a fun one to answer. The reason I hunt coyotes is because It's fun. There is very few things in life that science can explain fully, i.e. golf, vegans, gay marriage etc. there are plenty of positive impacts of coyote hunting on the ecosystem better survival rates of fawns in many big game species..deer, antelope, and others. For alot of us ranchers it protects our livestock. Without human interaction in our part of the world the coyotes literally take over until they have eaten everything and then disease and starvation sets in and they end up dying very horrible slow painful deaths. I would just like to help keep a little balance in the food chain. While honing my skills as a hunter gather species and last but certainly not least having a little fun in the process.


this is what im curious about.... people seem to think hunting them will reduce their numbers and have a positive impact on the ecosystem. but from what ive read coyotes breed MORE when hunted unless they are severely hunted.

also, there has been no large predator in many areas for a long time since wolves have been extirpated, so coyotes can help bring deer populations to a good level where they are over populated. for example, in yellowstone park the elk were overpopulated and it led to the forests not being able to regenerate because the elk ate all the young trees. predators help bring balance to the ecosystem. i understand that they can affect small game populations alot though, which is a negative.
 
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Originally Posted By: person123there has been no large predator in many areas for a long time since wolves have been extinct, so coyotes can help bring deer populations to a good level where they are over populated.

Wolves aren't extinct.
 
" predators help bring balance to the ecosystem " True , but Only to a certain point.. There are too many out there so I'll do my part and kill as many as possible.
 
Originally Posted By: CrazyHorse66Originally Posted By: person123there has been no large predator in many areas for a long time since wolves have been extinct, so coyotes can help bring deer populations to a good level where they are over populated.

Wolves aren't extinct.

They aren't roaming the streets of Manhatten, therefore they must be extinct. Or am I being miopic?

Chupa
 
Originally Posted By: RedjawPerson123,
I could give you a long and sincere scientific explanation of why I hunt coyotes but I don't hunt coyotes because of a scientific reason. I hunt coyotes because I am a hunter. I hunted whitetail deer with a primitive bow and stone points for ten years with success and coyotes are way more challenging with a rifle and shotgun. My farmer/neighbors appreciate what I do as it cuts back on their livestock losses and pet owners like the benefits as well but I don't do it solely because of those reasons. In a society that is so eager to accept people for any PC reason but looks at hunters with such disdain most guys I know are snake bit and jaded when it comes to explanations. As a hunter I want to project a positive attitude to all but sometimes it is difficult in today's climate. Hope the best, redjaw

im trying to help hunters be informed about the impact that hunting has on the ecosystem, positive or negative. some justify the killing of coyotes based on their view of how it affects the ecosystem but they may be misinformed.
 
Originally Posted By: CrazyHorse66Originally Posted By: person123there has been no large predator in many areas for a long time since wolves have been extinct, so coyotes can help bring deer populations to a good level where they are over populated.

Wolves aren't extinct.

i meant locally extinct, the proper word is extirpated
 
Wait a minute, or do they breed more when there dead is that another one of those tricks from that spirit goddess chick lollahma or whatever chupathingy called her.
 
Originally Posted By: Doc fur &Mr.hideWait a minute, or do they breed more when there dead is that another one of those tricks from that spirit goddess chick lollahma or whatever chupathingy called her.

ive read scientific studies by ecologists that say killing coyotes actually makes them breed more rapidly, and that killing less than a certain percent [i dont remember exactly but it was pretty high] has no effect on the long term population
 
Originally Posted By: yotecatslayer34" predators help bring balance to the ecosystem " True , but Only to a certain point.. There are too many out there so I'll do my part and kill as many as possible.

the general consensus from hunters seems to be that there are too many, and it makes sense. the main natural predator of coyotes [wolves] is gone. but do you have any scientific evidence of this?
 
Originally Posted By: person123 but from what ive read coyotes breed MORE when hunted unless they are severely hunted.

also, there has been no large predator in many areas for a long time since wolves have been extirpated, so coyotes can help bring deer populations to a good level where they are over populated.

So what's the problem? We kill more, they breed more, it helps the deer overpopulation. (According to you.)
 
Originally Posted By: person123

im trying to help hunters be informed about the impact that hunting has on the ecosystem, positive or negative. some justify the killing of coyotes based on their view of how it affects the ecosystem but they may be misinformed.



Reminds me of the "Useful idiot" story, anybody remember that one?

Does anybody else find the fact that we need "Educating" offensive?


Chupa
 
person123, you started off by asking a question about why we hunt predators, then you state that you are trying to educate hunters as to the effects killing predators may have on the ecosystem. You never have answered the question that was asked "what do YOU think of hunting predators".Seems to me you already have your mind made up and just want to try to "change the world" one sportsman at a time. Please take your crusade some where else, we like to talk about critter getting here.
 
Originally Posted By: obaroperson123, you started off by asking a question about why we hunt predators, then you state that you are trying to educate hunters as to the effects killing predators may have on the ecosystem. You never have answered the question that was asked "what do YOU think of hunting predators".Seems to me you already have your mind made up and just want to try to "change the world" one sportsman at a time. Please take your crusade some where else, we like to talk about critter getting here.

ill rephrase what i said. what i meant is that people who hunt then need to make informed decisions about why they hunt. i didnt mean that i personally am informing them, but that they should do their own research and come to their own conclusions. alot of people just seem to say things based on what they think is true, but its not backed up by scientific evidence done by ecologists.

so what i meant was is im trying to encourage people to be informed.
 
Originally Posted By: obaro You never have answered the question that was asked "what do YOU think of hunting predators".Seems to me you already have your mind made up and just want to try to "change the world" one sportsman at a time. Please take your crusade some where else, we like to talk about critter getting here.

this is my opinion:

im not against the killing of coyotes unless i see some scientific evidence that it is bad for the ecosystem. i am against killing animals for fun and false ideas of how it affects the ecosystem. i support killing coyotes that affect livestock and threaten people.

and i think this is the place to take my "crusade." hunters have an impact on the ecosystem that can be self controlled, unlike businesses, development, etc. if you want to talk about hunting there are many threads, mine isnt taking up alot of space. its relevant to this website and i think i have the right to post here.
 


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