Womb full of pups question.

I'm leary of any guy who puts his caller on his head LOL! Studies? why don't you post "these studies" Oh yeah the infamous debate you & I had some time back. Where I stated a Red or coyote can & do come into heat prior to January-Feb. I see you asked around on my opinion. Too funny LOL!

I've read some, on these multiple den sites. Where there is more than 1-female with pups. Do they exist? Yeah I believe they do. Are these nursing females related? I'm sure they are, ie;[nursing alpha female & one of her off-spring].

However, NOT a multiple den site with "non-related coyotes". I don't buy that one bit. Same as "other" outlying coyotes. Coming to tend to another coyote's pups. When her male mate is killed. Bull dung.

Post these findings or a link to them, to back your claim.
 
Just curious since the OP brought up the whole pregnant female thing. There was a time that wolves were hunted without restrictions and they all but disappeared from the lower 48. Is it possible that we will eventually eradicate so many coyotes that we won't have them to hunt? I understand they are a real problem in some areas, but is there a chance we can over harvest and lose one of our favorite predator species? Just curious as to what everyone else's opinion is on the matter. I personally wouldn't take a female that is heavy with a litter. I suppose we could self regulate the number of animals we kill in any given area. I'd rather see that than some government weenie, or tree hugger take control of the harvest.
 
Your a day late & a dollar short TA, LOL!. I read that study a few yrs back. As well as a few other studies. I agree with some of them, but not all of them.

1st off, how come these studies, "DO NOT state". Whether these "packs" have been "DNA tested". As to whether, they are INDEED non-related, as compared to related...ie; parents & off-spring.

What coyotes are wolves now?
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Yeah coyotes are social & can/or will hang in groups[non-breeding pr's]. But NOT, a breeding pr, with OTHER non-related coyotes. Specifically, a breeding pr with pups.

Your claim of seeing mutiple non-related coyote denning. Did YOU have all of those coyotes DNA tested? Or did you just theorize?

No doubt after the yearlings are scattered. They can/will group up. Not even close to non-related group denning. Where these caring non-related adult coyotes. Go out & fend/tend to. Another non-related female's, pups.

Sounds like, socialist coyote's to me LOL!
 
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Same territory...I see. So you have mapped out the boundry's of these pr's territory? Interesting. Of course other coyotes, may travel into or onto a mated pr's territory. That is how they travel, when they venture past their own territory. That also does not prove. Other "non-related" coyotes tend to another coyote' pup's.

NOR den in a cluster/[multiple den site] With other Non-related nursing females.

BTW, where are all of these other 90% studies, that PROVE me wrong? I look forward to reading those
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Originally Posted By: NWCPJust curious since the OP brought up the whole pregnant female thing. There was a time that wolves were hunted without restrictions and they all but disappeared from the lower 48. Is it possible that we will eventually eradicate so many coyotes that we won't have them to hunt? I understand they are a real problem in some areas, but is there a chance we can over harvest and lose one of our favorite predator species? Just curious as to what everyone else's opinion is on the matter. I personally wouldn't take a female that is heavy with a litter. I suppose we could self regulate the number of animals we kill in any given area. I'd rather see that than some government weenie, or tree hugger take control of the harvest.

No, it isn't possible. At least not through means of hunting.

Coyote numbers have always been hundreds of thousands of times larger than wolves, and despite evrything that "Man" has thrown at them they still thrive today, and have in fact increased in numbers throughout the U.S....The Eastern U.S. has seen coyotes when they didn't see many before. The urban areas where coyotes are not hunted are now the hotbed of activity for attacks and have proven to be great habitat because of the adaptibility of coyotes.
Disease & mange account for way more coyotes than hunters do, even today. Parvo can stay in an area for literally up to seven years, virtually wiping out ALL pups in that area for years, and they always come back in grand fashion.

While most of the hunters that have been at this for any period of time lay off of coyotes during the denning season, that needs to be a personal choice made by the hunter. To try and MANDATE a "season" on coyotes would be absurd. If you get them started, then there will be no bounds. You regulate and control game animals like deer, elk, and turkey....not coyotes. Pay attention here....to have a season on coyotes is not only absurd, but dangerous, given the total adaptability of the species.

To address the "Studies" of coyotes that may, or may not have been resourced here:
If you know anything about coyotes, or even if you don't, you need to be able to "sift through" the information that you see and relate that information to what DO know about them. You don't know motivations of those writing about them, and you don't even know the intelligence of the people writing about them...But, in some cases, BOTH of those factors are very telling.
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Just because you see something in print somewhere DOESN'T make it FACT.

Would believe every work of a "study" that said that "Owning firearms needs to come to an end here in the U.S.", or do you believe everything you might see when watching CNN news? Of course NOT!

Why would you believe evrything you see about coyotes that's written down somewhere?
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You wouldn't.

God gave you the brains to sift through what information you have and decide for yourself what is relevent, and what ISN'T...so, try and use that. Frankly, I don't have to read much of what is talked about, or written by people that may, or may not have an agenda to dismiss what I'm hearing or reading as pure drivel. Why do I dismiss such drivel? Because I KNOW better than to buy into a total crock of questionable BS because I have SEEN otherwise myself. This isn't only about coyotes, but it factors into each day of our modern world we live in with ALL phases of our lives....
They have been spouting "Global Warming" at the top of their lungs for awhile now. It's all about someone's personal agenda, and not about the facts....it's all about the MONEY, so SIFT THROUGH what you are told, what you read, and what you hear. You'll be much better off if you do.

I have lots of opinion in what I have written, and that opinion is mine, and reflects only my personal belief.

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Kirby, you can't require scientific proof of what others claim without providing the same proof of your own claims.No disrespect but I have been at this nearly as long as you have , one on one tracking and watching coyotes for hours on end and yet I read much of your posts and say to myself how can he be so sure of these statements.Coyotes don't have eartags,are highly mobile and unpredidctable. I also notice you rarely if ever substantiate any claims with any biological science. You generally just contradicate any widely accepted science..Keep going it does get me thinking.
 
Rockinbar,, Had most of your same thoughts, glad to see I am not the only one ..I often see studies that are "a peer reviewed study" meaning a bunch of over-educated,underemployed individuals putting the stamp of approval on a study of pre-concluded findings.I always try do determine the politics of any study findings because unfortunately politics almost always exist.
 
deerman, I frankly don't care who believes what I state or not, really.

What I've done over many yrs. Is hunt the same area. I use a spotter scope, to I.D. specific coyotes. I.D? you ask...Yes. I I.D by coloration mainly, as well as size, hunting/bedding areas. Et core areas. Specifically, I.D'ing the local pr's.

I hunt 16-18 days a month from Fall-Spring. This season, I hunted even more.

Area's I hunt are open rolling cropland. Of which any mile section, I can see into from varying angles. I don't miss much.
 
After taking coyote control instructions from Craig O'Gorman of MT (30,000 predators to date) and the late Bill Austin, of WY,(10,000 coyotes to his credit). Both of them said that the male howls in morning to pups he is coming in, then regurgitates the food for pups. Until they are older then just the food not re brought up.
They both say that if there are extra coyotes, usually a dry young female, will help feed the pups if you don't kill both parents when denning coyotes.
My feelings are I would believe what they say over many other peoples information. These guys make or made their living killing coyotes all year long. My money would be with what they observed in the 60+ yrs of combined experience.
 
I can't remember if I read or heard, but when the female is having pups don't the male have to hunt for himself and the female? The male is going to be busy catching twice the prey and if he dies it would seem the pups wouldn't make it.
 
It depends whether they are on government land or private land. If on government land they just have to wait for child services to show up, for food stamps and spread the wealth. If they are on private land they will have to fend for themself.
 
One thing to keep in mind is a lot of wildlife studies are full of statements with may or can in them. Animals may or can do a lot of different things but it doesn’t mean always.
 


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