Womb full of pups question.

Originally Posted By: stevecriner Quote: As I said, I guess the coyotes are different there.
We use coyote pup distress with great success in calling down here. They come in hard and fast...(I don't think they are coming to help either, because I've not shot one that's bearing gifts of food.)

Just curious and I dont have a dog in this fight because I dont know but Im curious, Did you let them run all the way in to see if they were going to eat your caller or did you just figure they were going to eat it??? Just curious? Maybe if you wasnt AR'n them they would of breast fed your FP. Just a thought?

edit: To say....See ya all at the EXPO

That's too funny Steve!
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If I get the "Mr. Mister" out and fill it with warm milk, squirt a little at them as they get close. and let the AR cool off a tad, perhaps we could see for sure how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop...
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See ya at the Expo! Be safe getting there!

Barry
 
It isn't hard for them to find out if the resident ones or neighbors are gone. They howl at night or during the day in some places and if the guy next door doesn't answer, they just may come over to see why.
Some won't howl or defend the territory because they are young ones and don't want the boss to kick their butts. I was with O'Gorman and he chuckled and said, look over at the top of that butte, 1/2mile or so away. There was a coyote sitting up, with its back to us. It was completely ignoring us, he said it was probably a young one, and it was acting like I don't hear that coyote howling over there, I'm not getting involved!
Same with calling wether you use a decoy dog or not, the young ones don't want to come in sometimes if they think there could be a coyote killing rabbits, they don't want to barge in, afraid they will get their butts bit. When the dogs work the coyotes coming in a person can see which ones are aggressive and which ones are along for the fight, if the aggressive one goes down first, the other may just sit a ways away and howl or bark at the calling. You are supposed to take the timid ones first, then call and use the dogs to bring the boss back in.
 
Tact20, (TA17 you may use you great coyote wisdom to answer this question too) so they howl at each other to see who's home and who's not? Ok I am with you on that ,but which one "babysitts" the pups? The aggressive ones looking for a fight or the timid ones that turns their back?

TA I am not trying to fight it you see, I live in the real world were nature is cruel and everything doesn't work out like in Bambi. So maybe if you would open your mind and step out into the real world you may see what is going on and not have to read about it.
 
The liberal coyote govt would take rabbits from the mated pair and give them to the single coyote that has been abandoned by its drug snorting mate. and the bigger the litter the more the liberal Coyote govt would reward her with rabbits....
 
Originally Posted By: TA17rem Quote:,but which one "babysitts" the pups? The aggressive ones looking for a fight or the timid ones that turns their back

It could be a female pup from the previos year or another menber from the same group or one from another litter before or it could be a transiet coyote that was taken in by the group or it could be a female coyote that came from the same litter as the female parent.. Most people can't tell the difference from one coyote to the other unless it has some marks that stand out so no one can say for sure which one does it but it does happen.....

I won't duspute the scenario. Of a pr that may keep a female yearling into the next yr. Or even if the old male breeds that off-spring. What I dispute, is these "other" coyotes, ie; Non-related, that are "claimed" to be let into the family group to assist the nursing female, feed,tend to the pups. What man alive, has killed/captured these coyotes & had DNA testing done. To PROVE, that claim? Let him step forward.

I've observed coyotes, including nomads, pr's, family groups, neighboring coyotes. I've seen local coyotes, push out other coyotes that were in their area/territory. More than once. I've also watched how wary/[nervous if you will] tresspasser coyote's act. When they choose to hunt or bed in a known pr's territory.
 
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In reference, to positivly I.D'ing a specific coyote, from all of the others.

Positivley I.D'ing a coyote. Pays off as a future reference in the following yrs.

IF a person in truely interested in observing, breeding pr's, yearlings, & established territory's.

Postiviely, I'D'ing a coyote. Can also prove one way or the other. Whether that coyote is a yearling, an adult, pr'd-up or other. Which can positively RULE OUT, whether that coyote is in INDEED a former/current family group member or not.
 
I've read that old post TA. Regardless, from what I read in it. There was no mention, of an outside... "known" [non-related] coyote coming to the rescue of a widowed nursing female. There were some remarks on shared dens by [2] females is all. I suspect those two females, were mother et daughter[from the previous yr].

Getting back to your previous remarks, about "other coyotes" & a "babysitter" showing up after a male is killed. To assist a lone nursing female & help tend to her pups. Is vague @ best IMO.

Anyone, who has been around domestic dogs for awhile. Can/will tell you. A nursing female dog, may adopt another females pup. Heck some nursing dogs have even suckled a kitten LOL! Not exactly, ground breaking news.

 
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this is way i get quite this time of year.
year after year of pizzin matches over the same things.
MY EXPERIANCE TELLS ME
shoot the female first.
the male will hang around a day or two so you can get him.
IF you shoot the male the female will move the den and you will have to find it all over again.
if you want to reduce the population for calving or lambing season KILL THE FEMALES NOW before the pups hit the ground and the livestock.
that will give you a window of time to calve or lamb before the new pair move in.
hopefully the livestock will be on its feet before the other coyotes figure out the pair is gone.
 
"pizzin matchs" really? I seek out known facts about coyotes. Some opinions, are no doubt tainted with "bias's". As information & or experiences are often not all inclusive, ie;the total truth.

For example; This last season I seen/sighted 58 coyotes. Does that prove I really seen 58 coyotes? No. Further explanation it proves. I've seen some of the same ones, numerous times. As I've "positively" I.D'd some of those 58. To tell people "I actually seen 58 coyotes", would be biased. As it is not, the total TRUTH.


Some people are mainly just interested in killing coyotes. Fine & dandy, have fun. I'm mainly interested, in knowing about coyotes. That is why I may question anyone. Who shares information & or experiences.

If a site does not allow questioning. Sharing of information & or experiences. Would soon, slow or cease altogether.
 
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Originally Posted By: TA17rem Also if you look at the first couple of sentenses of the study i posted ...

Thanks for posting that. Interesting reading. Do you have a linke where I might read the rest of the study, or other studies? Thanks.
 
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