Womb full of pups question.

Hmmm.
TA,
You’re making a great case for the spring and summer hunters. What I am reading here indicates that it doesn’t matter what time of year you hunt because there is always another coyote ready, willing and able to step right in and fill any void.
Interesting.
 
Jay, you do have a point. Now I feel even more warm and fuzzy about shooting coyotes in the spring and summer. Thanks TA.
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Originally Posted By: TA17remShe could raise the litter on her own and if there are any other coyotes in the area they will help her.. Some coyotes have been known to double den. Two females shareing the same den and feeding the pups together. Good areas that hold coyotes will fill back in after a few weeks or month's so a baby sitter will show-up eventuly
 
Kirby seems I've heard a similar story somewhere else...why does the name Walt Disney keeping popping into my head?
 
I've watched coyote pr's approach a lone coyote on their territory in the Winter months. Each occurance the OTHER coyote quickly got up from his/her bed area & moved AWAY from the pr's.

The "tresspasser" would often look back, as it moved farther away. As it moved farther away out of the area.

I frankly don't care if "Joe coyote" did a scientific study. On non-related coyotes & territorial prs. I don't buy into alot of what is professed, regardless.

Yearlings move on, after their pushed out of their parents territory. They don't glom onto the outer edge up through the next yr...awaiting to see if the adult male gets killed the next yr. In regards to assisting the "lone" adult female rear her pups.

Whats with this outside baby sitter syndrone? Or these "other coyotes" that show up to tend to another female's litter. Say what.
 
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This should settle all disputes, although this is a great question that I bet a lot of us has thought atleast once. If the mother gets dead the dad will eventually get dead. And when the pups get older if they don't get eaten first... one of us will make them dead. I know its off the subject. And don't matter. Just thought I would break the tension here. A lot of good info turned in to an argument on this one.
 
Quote: As I said, I guess the coyotes are different there.
We use coyote pup distress with great success in calling down here. They come in hard and fast...(I don't think they are coming to help either, because I've not shot one that's bearing gifts of food.)

Just curious and I dont have a dog in this fight because I dont know but Im curious, Did you let them run all the way in to see if they were going to eat your caller or did you just figure they were going to eat it??? Just curious? Maybe if you wasnt AR'n them they would of breast fed your FP. Just a thought?

edit: To say....See ya all at the EXPO
 
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Originally Posted By: Ursus21why does the name Walt Disney keeping popping into my head?

+1

I may be wrong but the great WISDOM TA is sharing with us does sound like coyotes have feeling and thought just like in Bambi. TA do you think they use real words out in the wild like they do on TV?

Anyway if what you say is true, then why are coyotes so territorial? Wouldn't they be inviting other to come over and help out instead of running them off?

My inquiring mind wants to know.
 
"While most of the hunters that have been at this for any period of time lay off of coyotes during the denning season, that needs to be a personal choice made by the hunter. To try and MANDATE a "season" on coyotes would be absurd. If you get them started, then there will be no bounds. You regulate and control game animals like deer, elk, and turkey....not coyotes. Pay attention here....to have a season on coyotes is not only absurd, but dangerous, given the total adaptability of the species."

rockinbbar, you hit the nail on the head. I'm not implying that the policy makers need to get involved. That would be a nightmare. As a personal policy not hunting them while they are denning is a reasonable position to take if hunters want to sustain the current state populations of coyote. I believe that if enough hunting pressure is put on the animals they can be eradicated to the point at which regional populations could fall below a sustainable level. While the crafty coyote has proven to be resilient we still need to be stewards making sure the populations are maintained so we can continue pursuing our favorite predator.
 
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Quote:Anyway if what you say is true, then why are coyotes so territorial?
Not all coyotes are terr. if they where they would be pretty simple to just call in with a challenge howl, don't you think???


Have you with your actual field "exsperiance" or your reliable sources ever heard a "HEY I NEED A BABYSITTER" howl? They have to have a howl for that since they are so inclined to help each other out. Maybe you can patent the "HEY I NEED A BABYSITTER" howler and then that would make calling pretty simple, don't you think?
 
Coyotes are alot like humans.
They find a good spot and set up house.
They mark their territory every day to essentially tell other coyotes that this is private property.
If a coyote vacates for whatever reason, another coyote (or coyotes) move in to the better diggs. This is the "fill-in" I think you were eluding to. Arizona happens to be a "fill-in" state from what I can tell. Those fill-in areas happen to occur close to water in southern AZ. Yes, from what I've witnessed, it takes about a week to 10 days for new coyotes to move in to the better habitat areas. I like to think it is all about improving their social status, sorta like buying a bigger house in a better location. Location, Location, Location holds true with humans and coyotes as well.

As far as studies by any Phud, I take them with a grain of salt and dismiss their findings for the most part. Their prose are written with a motive in mind. What we are never sure of is what that motive is. Call me a skeptic if you wish, I can deal with it but it amazes me the impurity of their learned results when applied to those of us who actually hunt the critters they study. It only takes a few minutes of talking or listening to figure out most are full of crap.

I would admit that some coyotes tolerate others, but NOT MANY. There is extreme tension among opposing coyotes no matter how close they socialize in times of drought and poor habitat.

All coyotes have the ability, tools and wherewithall to cause damage. PERIOD. I don't see a Mother Teresa in any of them. They are wild creatures and certainly hold no benevolent characteristics in my line of thinking.

Dangit! I forgot what the original question was.
 
Why yes, put me down for the new "baby sitter" call. LOL! Also, the "other coyote" call. Heck, I don't call much. But I figure if I bought the 1st one's. They could only go up in value
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You crack me up TA!
 
By all means, shoot yotes during birthing/denning. Once they give birth, you have 8 or 10 yotes where you formerly had only 1.

Plus... those cute little yote puppies can be a nightmare for livestock, especially sheep and goats. The parent yote will grab a little lamb or kid and take it back to the den ALIVE, and let the pups spend the next couple of days learning how to kill it, much of which is spent playing tug-of-war with the lamb, fully alive. Not a pretty mental picture.
 
We have heard it before on here. I am a rancher and I will stop killing them when they stop killing livestock and deer ect. Why when a topic on here is on the egde of being an argument does it involve the same people 90% percent of the time. HMMMMMMM? It has been an interesting disussion though.
 


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