OK Lets say your guns are banned!

And I say again how many are truly mentaly ready to drop that hammer if the time ever came. Again it only my opion
but NO ones knows what they will do untill that first shot is fired or that barrel is pointed at them.
I will not say how or why I can say this , but I will say
I belive right now is time for gun owners and supporters to let the goverment know in in no uncertain terms that we, as a whole, will not be stripped of our American rights . To Do this we need to flood "them" with letters , phone calls,
emails , ect.
I know I am mentaly ready to do what I need to if the time
comes and my first mental step is knowing I have done what I
could to prevent that time from comeing.
I relize there is a time for talk and a time for action and
if our voices fall on deaf ears the time for talk is over.
My last word is just know you have done what you could to prevent that time from coming then you will mentaly prepared.
Ok go ahead and blast me because it is your right (while you still have the right )
 
No, Dave, I don't. I believe you would do what you feel is right for you and your family.

Do you consider me a "keyboard commando"?

I've no doubt there are some here who talk bold and would not back it up in real life. Rest assured, I'm not one of them. Nor are some of the others.

If they take away our guns, they'll look to take away everything else after. I'm not willing to take that chance.....
 
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To put up armed resistance is stupid. That is what is termed "suicide by cop." You can hide things and evade but you can not put up armed resistance to the government and live.

Jack



Look what happened in Waco with David Koresch....
 
For all the people of the USA who have fought and died all over this planet, for other nations rights and freedoms...To think there are some who have reservations about doing the same here at home.The land of the free and the home of the brave. I can not figure that one out.Not to rant or call anybody out, just saying, what the heck? Its not about taking off a day of work to march on washington,its not about giving up a piece of metal(gun),and its not about balls or not having them...Its only about one thing and one thing only,are you a man and are you an AMERICAN?? You should not have to think twice about what choice `s you have.Keep your faith and your powder dry.
 
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Do you consider me a "keyboard commando"?

No..I fully realize you are certainly more compentent than most in regard's to firearms's knowledge..That i'm not questioning..
 
I'm sure many of us personally know someone who is a sheriff, cop, ATF,....someone who may be forced, by a law to do something like that(take firearms). maybe it's by zip code, last name, door-to-door, who knows?. ask them how they feel about doing something like that. It may help if they have a beer or 3 in them! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
A lot of people fought real hard and even died to make this country what it is. Now we have a bunch of jackazzes in office who seem to be [beeep] bent on taking our freedoms and our rights to protect ourselves away. I personally feel for us to sit idle, while the Gov't systematically reverts us back into subjects, would be a slap in the face of those who fought so hard for the freedoms we presently enjoy. Not to mention a monumental disservice to future generations......
 
Actually I believe we can outfight the government, however, not one at a time, individually. Several hundred (or several thousand) armed, well-trained citizens working in unison with a good plan, coordination, and good leadership is a force that no law enforcement unit in the country could handle. However, getting that many citizens working together is problematical.

By the way, a good man with a Remmy 700 could wipe out most of a SWAT team in about three minutes, and they'd never know where he was. There are ways. But, let's not go there....

Better to keep the commies out of office first.
 
Right now is not the time for armed resistance. If we did it would be more like the French revolution than the American revolution. The French one ended with guilotines not freedom. Also we speak in terms of "them", but they are elected officials, write them, vote against them. The force to bear is made of American blood like all of us. How many of them could pull the trigger on any of us? Generals of the military are in controle of their troops. Most are of sound judgement. Dont Freek just yet. The time may well come, but we must be organized as a movement first. Right now we are all collective in thought, but not organized.IMO
 
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I've no doubt there are some here who talk bold and would not back it up in real life. Rest assured, I'm not one of them. Nor are some of the others.

That remain's in question..Yes it's easy to talk bold,How would any of us respond until..When & if it happen's ?? That's the point of my post's in this thread..

There was a fellow yesterday that stated in this thread that they should bring plenty of body bag's with them although he did admit that he would be in one of them,& i'll give him credit for that.He also stated that several would go with him ??

I guess he's quite a bit "tougher" than myself..I doubt i could accomplish that feat..

To everyone else..I'd never in any way suggest just "rolling" over..I'm simply tired of the tough guy talk..

It's ridiculous..

JMO..
 
No government can tyrannize a populace that has their heads in the right place. The reason why so many have in fact succeeded around the world is that the populace was not prepared mentally, physically, or spiritually to fight back. This country has almost 300 million people. If only 1 percent were determined to fight to the death, it would be a short fight and the government would lose, because the government simply can't muster enough LEO's or even Guard troops to stand up to a huge force of citizens. And even if they did, I doubt, given the legal/constitutional nature of the dispute, that the majority of the government's forces would want to take on an armed citizen army waving the constitution before it. It would be easier for them to turn on their obviously corrupt masters.

Making 'them' see that is one of our responsibilities in this matter. You might want to check out the Oath Keepers website (www.oath-keepers.com I think). Ginning up enough of the population to make it stick is another. That is why I mentioned Appleseed in my first post.

IT ISN'T ABOUT GUNS.
It is about the corruption of our government and country, the flushing of the constitution down the toilet, and the loss of our very expensive freedom, perhaps forever. The real question is why we would stand by and do nothing to prevent it. Pdhunter's post above is a good one...start with the political process but prepare for the worst. We owe it to those who were brave enough to sacrifice before us, and to those who otherwise would be enslaved afterwards if we fail.

Freedom's price has always been blood. That is because the freedom-stealers mean business and won't quit until they are dead. If you value your money more than your freedom, they will threaten to take your money until you give up your freedom. If you value your home more than your freedom, they will threaten to take your home if you don't knuckle under to their demands. If you value your kids more than your freedom, ditto. If you value your life more than your freedom, ditto. You must value nothing above freedom and be prepared to lose all to defend it. THAT is what history shows is the price of freedom. Dave Allen, if you can't see yourself fighting this fight, well either get yourself capable to do it, or you will have to depend on better men than yourself to do it for you. If your heart and mind believe in the cause, your body will follow. Otherwise be prepared to live your life in chains, and have your kids and grandkids do so as well. Better have a good explanation for your kids as to why you let it happen to them.
 
So some of you guys are saying that you are willing to kill police officers?? Police officers that are fellow Americans?? Police officers who will put their life on the line if you call them with an emergency?? Police officers who have a wife and kids?? Police officers who are only doing a job that they are hired to do??

Some of you guys say you are willing to kill fellow Americans(police officers) because they have come to your house to enforce a law that they are sworn to uphold.

Officers who could easily be your friend?? Or neighbor?? Or a family member??

HORSESH**.

Everyone knows that brave soldiers have fought and died for our rights. There is no doubt about that. But almost all that fighting was on foreign soil, and against foreign combatants. Not fellow Americans.

We basically fought 2 wars within our country. One was a genocide against the native Indian. And one was the Civil War. And these were the 2 largest mistakes that people in this country ever made(I consider the Revolutionary war as a war against a foreign enemy on domestic ground). There will always have to be a better way to solve our differences when it is American against American!!

And do not forget one thing guys. They did win the election!! I do not like it, but they did win. But you are saying that since you do not agree with the outcome that the vote did not count?? Tom.
 
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So some of you guys are saying that you are willing to kill police officers?? Police officers that are fellow Americans?? Police officers who will put their life on the line if you call them with an emergency?? Police officers who have a wife and kids?? Police officers who are only doing a job that they are hired to do??

Some of you guys say you are willing to kill fellow Americans(police officers) because they have come to your house to enforce a law that they are sworn to uphold.

Officers who could easily be your friend?? Or neighbor?? Or a family member??

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And do not forget one thing guys. They did win the election!! I do not like it, but they did win. But you are saying that since you do not agree with the outcome that the vote did not count?? Tom.



Hog ... let's put this in another perspective. Soldiers and LEOs are to to uphold the Constitution first. That is why soldiers have a moral right not to take orders in certain cirucmstances.

In my opinion, if a LEO or US soldier came and tried to take guns from American Citizens they are committing the act of treason as long as the Consitution stands as it does today.

KC
 
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So some of you guys are saying that you are willing to kill police officers?? Police officers that are fellow Americans?? Police officers who will put their life on the line if you call them with an emergency?? Police officers who have a wife and kids?? Police officers who are only doing a job that they are hired to do??

Some of you guys say you are willing to kill fellow Americans(police officers) because they have come to your house to enforce a law that they are sworn to uphold.

Officers who could easily be your friend?? Or neighbor?? Or a family member??

....

And do not forget one thing guys. They did win the election!! I do not like it, but they did win. But you are saying that since you do not agree with the outcome that the vote did not count?? Tom.



Hog ... let's put this in another perspective. Soldiers and LEOs are to to uphold the Constitution first. That is why soldiers have a moral right not to take orders in certain cirucmstances.

In my opinion, if a LEO or US soldier came and tried to take guns from American Citizens they are committing the act of treason as long as the Consitution stands as it does today.

KC





So for that they deserve to die??

Also the "Right to Bear Arms" is actually not a part of the Constitution. It is part of the Bill of Rights, which is an amendment to the Constitution. And as an Amendment it can be voted upon, and changed under the rule of law. And if voted upon and passed, as other amendments have been.

I am not trying to defend the anti's. However I am pointing out that they did win the election. Whether we like it or not.

The law and the actual Constitution is on their side. Whether we like it or not. Let us pray that it does not come to this.

Remember the Supreme Court does not follow the Constition. It is their job to "interpret" the Constitution. How else could any gun laws be considered Constitutional!! Along with all the other items they transact upon. Tom.
 
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I think this thread has gotten way outta hand...The answers that have been given here are endless and if it does come to killing in order to keep firearms then we want have any use for law because there want be any.It will be every man for himself!We need to ask ourselves what are we going to do as gun owners to keep from this happening?...Chad
 
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