So you think you can shoot????

So is there a difference between a miss at 200 yds. and a miss at 1000yds?

Show me a guy that kills every shot and I'll show you a guy that hunts on the computer.

A guy that feels confident and competent shooting at 200 yds. will wound game sometime. How is that different from the guy who is confident and competent to shoot at 1000 yds.

Oh that's right. The guy shooting at 200 has morals the other guy is a slob /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
MOST of the deer hunters sighting in at the range CAN NOT hit 10 for 10 at 100 yards from the bench. Meaning, they can't put 10 shots in a huge black bullseye if their life depended on it.
 
Red I would not call him a slob. He is a great shot /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif and obviously feels confident in his skill.
My question is why? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I shoot at 800 on paper just to keep my skill of longer range shooting fresh and to make me feel good. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Shooting an animal at that range just does not make any sense to me. The fun in hunting for me is to get close. This is not to say he is a bad person or unethical.
I just don't understand.
My longest shot on an animal other then a p-dog was the coyote I shot last year at 400 + yards but that was only because he ran after I hit him at 30 yards. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif
As you stated everyone misses or makes a bad shot if you hunt long enough. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
Gwh, I think you and I are on the same page. I have no interest in shooting a big game animal at those kind of ranges, even if I could. But I have no problem taking a shot at a coyote that sits at 600 and yaps and yaps and won't commit. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Of course I range him and watch the wind and know my rifle is capable and I feel confident to make the shot.

I haven't tried 600 yet, but dumped one at 542. Very little wind. The coyote was still for several minutes and I shot prone from a bipod, with my 220 swift.

It simply comes down to doing what you are capable of and allowing your fellow hunters the same courtesy, as long as it is legal. I don't often hear long distance shooters trashing short range shooters or preaching that their way is how it should be done.

From the video, I'd have to say that animal was not stressed before it was shot and was DRT. Isn't that after all what we are trying to do out there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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So is there a difference between a miss at 200 yds. and a miss at 1000yds?

Show me a guy that kills every shot and I'll show you a guy that hunts on the computer.

A guy that feels confident and competent shooting at 200 yds. will wound game sometime. How is that different from the guy who is confident and competent to shoot at 1000 yds.

Oh that's right. The guy shooting at 200 has morals the other guy is a slob /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif



With you 100%!
 
I'd like to clear some things up here. My brother-in-law works for the guy in the first video and helps him with a lot of the long range shooting. The antelope WAS shot at just over 1000 yards. The shot hit the antelope in the high shoulder and it punched clean through. They are shooting a Weatherby .30-378. I have shot their guns and they really know what they are doing and talking about. It's taken years and years to get to where they are now.
 
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So is there a difference between a miss at 200 yds. and a miss at 1000yds?



Here's a couple:

A "miss" at 200 yards will very often mean a wounded animal. That oh so responsible, moral, and knowledgeable, average (non-slob), 6 rounds a year "Big Game Hunter" who can't hold a 6" group with his 300Win mag at 100YDs will very likely "miss" and wound an animal at 200.

A miss at 1000YDs by a long range shooter is likely to be for a specifically identifiable reason other than lack of skill (a sudden gust of wind for instance), and will be a miss by feet, not inches.

Here's another difference. You have that average 6 shot a year big game hunter on an antelope at 300YDs with his 300 Win Mag (pretty typical), and a Mark Thompson, John Burns, or Dan Lilja on a 1000YD antelope. Who would you BET MONEY ON to make a clean kill?? Yeah, me too.




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Again,shooting at big game animals, at 1,000 yards+, is ignorant and irresponsible.



I talked with Mark Thompson yesterday, he is using a 30-378 Roy and time of flight to 1000YDs is 1.12 sec.

How many of those responsible and knowledgeable 6-shot-per-year big game hunters have a clue what their bullet's time of flight is at any range, or even what their come-ups or windage allowances are for any range? How many will take a shot not even knowing what the range is? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

But it's Mark Thompson, John Burns, Dan Lilja, and all the rest of us who like to shoot long range that are ignorant and irresponsible? Yeah, right. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

Never mind, fortunately, as long as it's legal to do, your opinion is meaningless. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Never mind, fortunately, as long as it's legal to do, your opinion is meaningless.


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This is hardly worth discussing with the likes of folks like chilerojo. As they have their own beliefs as do we. I can not help that he has joined this forum only to shoot out to a few yards. Hey Chile, should you not be, on say the 22rimfire forum maybe more like your shooting distance.


NMleon, thanks for the info. on the caliber, I too was interested. I thought it might be a 338 of some kind.
 
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This is hardly worth discussing with the likes of folks like chilerojo. As they have their own beliefs as do we. I can not help that he has joined this forum only to shoot out to a few yards. Hey Chile, should you not be, on say the 22rimfire forum maybe more like your shooting distance.



The best hunter will take the shortest shots. He can get his quarry close, and understands wind and animal behavior and travel.

This shot is a stunt. A stunt that takes great skill, but from a hunting aspect has no value to me.

I'm more impressed with a 20 yard shotgun call-in. Or a 20 yard bowshot on a whitetail. Thats hunting .

Folks, don't get hunting and just shooting confused.

But yes, it was a great shot.
 
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The best hunter will take the shortest shots.



I'm curious as to what led you to that belief? Is there that great a challenge to getting a deer close to you in MA?

I have never hunted MA, but I can tell you for sure that getting close doesn't necessarily have anything at all to do with "the best hunter".

In NM I took a deer every year from the same bluff overlooking a stream where there are deer almost any morning of the year, 15 minutes from my house, and I shot them from 15-30YDs away. It wasn't hunting at all or even shooting, just putting meat in the freezer.

The only reason I went so far away was to get out of the village limits where shooting was legal. Otherwise I could have taken a deer from my front porch any morning as they went to bed down.

I have spent WAY more "hunting" time looking for a place to kill the animal where I wouldn't have to pack meat across half a state than I ever have looking for game.

I've always been a meat hunter, but why do some guys look for trophy animals? Could it be that just "hunting" (finding the game) isn't enough of a challenge?

The same thing applies to many bow-hunters. They use a bow because they wouldn't be challenged hunting with a rifle, it's just "too easy" in their opinion. Not necessarily because they are shooting from close up (they could shoot from as close with a rifle), but because of the other "challenges" involved, holding a bow at full draw (whatever it's called) for minutes at a time while remaining perfectly still, etc.

Even then, many bow-hunters are trophy hunters too. Why is that do you suppose? Could it be to increase the level of challenge even more?

That is precisely the reason some folks choose to hunt from long range. Shooting from close up is just too easy, and they want more of a challenge.

I haven't hunted anything but predators for several years now. The biggest reason (besides not having a freezer anymore) is the LACK of challenge in big game hunting. Deer are very often a nuisance on my predator stands (in season or not). Getting close to them (or them to me, LOL) is a matter of irritation, not hunting skill.

When I call in a coyote at 1000Yds+ using my long range e-caller, and (using my caller) get him to stand still long enough to set up and take a shot, I will be proud of that as an accomplishment worth noting. (I haven't done it yet, but I'm trying)

Depending on a coyote's behavior or just on my mood, I've given singles that come in on a more normal 100-200YD stand a pass, just to watch their behavior and reaction to scent and different sounds, and truthfully sometimes just because they were too easy.

If/when I call in a triple or better on that short stand and manage to drop all of them by myself, THAT will be an accomplishment I'll be proud of as a hunter/shooter. (I haven't done that yet either, lol)

If either one of those ever became easy, I'd look for something else to do or another way to do it (maybe a 1500YD called coyote).

If getting them close up is a challenge for you that's great, but even if you plan on jumping on the animals back and strangling him, the challenge to "close in" hunting has it's definite limits.

Long range (theoretically) has no limits, and the challenge will always be there just by extending your range.

Either way is as much "hunting" as the other in my experience.
 
I will agree Chili can be abrasive, but do not be deceived into thinking his opinion is based on his inability to shoot. He has the trophy's and respect in the competitive arena from years past to prove otherwise.

I have something to ask of the ones that say "as long as it is legal, no one should tell me not to try it"

These same guys will advise not to use a 17HMR for coyotes. A 17 HMR is legal to shoot a coyote at any distance we want to take the shot. To shoot a coyote with the 17HMR at 200 yards, just because it is legal is both ignorance and irresponsibility on the shooters part.

Now with all that being said, I am currently in the process of building a long range hunting rig. A 6.5x284, and will be seeking out a chance to take a shot on game out past the 600 yard mark. (MY current record for a one shot kill is 597)I will wait till I have proven to my self that I can make the shot under most conditions before I go on this quest. If Chili decides to tell me I am being ignorant and irresponsible, I will take it has his opinion and accept the fact he does not agree with my methods. He may even try to convince me not to try it, and I will probably try to convince him to give it a whirl. That is how things work. We all have opinions and should be able to express them as long as they are worded in a polite manner.
 
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I have never hunted MA, but I can tell you for sure that getting close doesn't necessarily have anything at all to do with "the best hunter".




Leon, deer aren't that plentiful around here.

But ya, I'm an archer first and foremost for many reasons. Mostly I like the solitude of an empty forest on a November morning. I usually fill may tag in 3 states ( Ma, Ct, and NY ) after a bunch of homework. I guess thats the hunting part I refer to. I'd rather have that perfect 20 broadside shot than a deer quartering in at 40. If I'm shooting long distances, I didn't figure it out, therefore my hunting could be improved on. I can make the long shot, but too much can go wrong. I prefer 30 yards and in with my bow.

You have to admit, with better hunting style this fella wouldn't have to shoot 1000 yards.

As a young bragadousios kid, I killed many deer with my bow at 50 plus yards. Would have made a great video. The gutshot deer that changed my mind about long range would have made a sad video.

Remember this fella is not the average guy, and I think everyone better understand that. 1000 yards is out of the question for 99 percent of us.

Leon, not tellin' anyone whats right or wrong.......... do your own thing. Take the shots you want /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
oooo respect in the competitive arena so far he has shown me nothing but his opinion and I do not care for that. I will tell ya what, I never said "if its legal do it" on the other for someone to say that it is irresponsible to shoot long range if trained for it is another. So you say chile can hunt and punch paper. "So what." Does that give him the authority to say what is right and what is wrong? I have been hunting since I was very young with a bow and still do. I do not need someone to tell me about close range hunting. I have a buck hanging in my living room that scores 237 7/8" shot with a bow does that mean I can tell people how they should hunt? Absolutely not, as I said before and I will say it again each person has there own style. You do not have to like my style nor I yours as long as we make good clean shots.

Another thing I suppose you fellas that disagree with LRH think that hunting in a blind or a tree stand is hunting. Ha an animal will come to water or your trail head sooner or later, "tell me thats hunting, not" You guys probably drink in camp go out the next morning and hope that everyone comes back alive. Yeah I know your type been a guide for years, seen just about everything.
 
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100 years ago the fellows with Muskets thought 75 yards was WAY out there... the Optics 25 years ago were a Joke compared to today, as are almost all aspects of a precision rifle. 1000 yard shots are becoming Much more popular, and there Very hard, you have a much better chance of a clean miss. I think it's great... and to me it's better than hunting from a stand, in camo, and scent killers, and taking a 40 yard shot. But it's ALL Hunting ! and I support it all, we can't make judgements of the next mans methods without expecting ours to come underfire... ~Ace~



Waaay over 100 years ago there were long range rifles that nearly extincted the buffalo. Sixty million buffalo once lived in the Great Plains. Hunting killed millions of them. By 1889, when South Dakota became a state, the buffalo was nearly extinct. They were commonly taken at distances over 1000yds with veneer sights.
http://cap-n-ball.com/ballard.htm
The 1876 vintage No. 7 Long-Range model, chambered only for the .45-100 Ballard cartridge, had a half-octagon barrel and an improved vernier back sight graduated to 1,300 yards
Those rifles are commonly referred to as SHARPS.
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Canadian sniper team on loan to US Army Rangers in Afghanistan. LOL

By the way, I read that the US awarded Bronze Stars to all the Canadian snipers working with the Rangers.
 
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